Grandmother's birth record

[rienzi]

Would greatly appreciate help reading my Grandmother's parent's names. It looks like my GGM name is "Teresa Lardiello", but all I can make out of my GGF's name is LaCapra. Any help would be appreciated.

From what I have read about the Nati there isn't much information aside from the parent's names to glean from this correct? Meaning it would be hard to go back a generation to find further birth certificates?

Thank you for any assistance.

[AngelaGrace56]

Would greatly appreciate help reading my Grandmother's parent's names. It looks like my GGM name is "Teresa Lardiello", but all I can make out of my GGF's name is LaCapra. Any help would be appreciated.

From what I have read about the Nati there isn't much information aside from the parent's names to glean from this correct? Meaning it would be hard to go back a generation to find further birth certificates?

Thank you for any assistance.

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Yes, Teresa Lardiello is correct and your grandmother's father was Rocco Giuseppe La Capra. I've translated the record for you below to help you understand the types of things that can be included in birth records. Sometimes more information is given, like the fathers of the parents of the child (ie child's grandfathers), and sometimes not. In this case not. The content can change from town to town, and also during different time periods. If you want to go back further, the next step would be for you to locate Rocco Giuseppe and Teresa's marriage record which will contain the names of each of their parents. I'll take a look for it later if you like, to start you off, and will add some information on Italian Civil Records as a guide as well. We are always here to help with the translations and offer guidance/resouces.


Birth No 68: Rosa La Capra

Registered in Tolve, 28 March 1898

Carolina Abruzzese, 64 yo, midwife, living in Tolve, reported that at 3.20 pm on 25 March 1898, in the house in Via San Michele, without number, from Teresa Lardiello, 34 yo, donna di casa – woman of the house/undertook domestic duties, legitimate wife of Rocco Giuseppe La Capra, 33 yo, proprietario (landowner), both residents of Tolve, was born a baby girl, who she presented and gave the name of Rosa.


Angela

[mmogno]

... If you want to go back further, the next step would be for you to locate Rocco Giuseppe and Teresa's marriage record which will contain the names of each of their parents....
Angela

@AngelaGrace56
#13/1885 Marriage
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cat=782197

#14/1885 Banns
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cat=782197

[mmogno]

Birth record #59 for Rocco Giuseppe La Capra. See the side note regarding the marriage
https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12 ... 67/57E9YMn

[mmogno]

Birth record #91/1843 for Antonio Maria La Capra, Rocco Giuseppe's father
https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12 ... 86/LDQglvE

[AngelaGrace56]

@mmogno

Oh no!!! I've just found both the Marriage Banns and the Marriage Record. I wish I had checked here first. I've translated the Marriage Banns, which I found a little different to what I'm used to. I'll post it now and if you have time please correct or expand on anything - that would help. I'll translate the marriage in a minute.

Marriage Pubblication (Banns) No 14 Rocco Giuseppe La Capra and Teresa Lardiello

Dated 21 March 1885, Tolve, Potenza

Appearing was Domenico Stigliani, son of deceased Nicola, 56 yo, resident of Tolve, special representative of the father of Rocco Giuseppe La Capra, 20 yo, proprietario, residing in Tolve, son of Antonio Maria (La Capra), proprietario, residing Tolve, and Maria Arcangela Rago, donna di casa, residing here

and also appearing was

Nicola Lardiello, son of Giuseppe, 50 yo, residing in Tolve, father of Teresa Lardiello, 21 yo, donna di casa, residing in Tolve, and of Raffaela D’Aloia, donna d’casa, residing Tolve.

Both Rocco and Teresa were born in Tolve.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cc=2043547

Grazie

Angela

[AngelaGrace56]

... If you want to go back further, the next step would be for you to locate Rocco Giuseppe and Teresa's marriage record which will contain the names of each of their parents....
Angela

@AngelaGrace56
#13/1885 Marriage
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cat=782197

Grazie

Marriage Act No 13: Rocco Giuseppe La Capra and Teresa Lardiello

Tolve: 19 April 1885

Appearing were:

1. Rocco Giuseppe La Capra, celibe (unmarried), 20 yo, proprietario (landowner), born and residing in Tolve, the son of Antonio Maria (La Capra) residing in Tolve, and of Maria Arcangela Rago.

2. Teresa Lardiello, 21 yo, donna di casa, born in Tolve, residing in Tolve, the daughter of Nicola Lardiello, 21 yo, donna di casa, born in Tolve, resding in Tolve, the daughter of Nicola Lardiello and Raffaela D’Aloia both residing in Tolve.

The other names written there are just the witnesses to the marriage proceedings.

It states when the marriage banns were posted, resulting in no opposition to the marriage taking place, and that both sets of parents gave their consent for the marriage to proceed.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cc=2043547

Angela

[AngelaGrace56]

For your information. A lot of people find this really helpful: https://script.byu.edu/Pages/the-italia ... english%29

Angela

[mmogno]

The user rienzi has not logged in since Jan 25, 2023.
Would it be better to dedicate our time to users who come back to read the answers to their questions?

[AngelaGrace56]

The user rienzi has not logged in since Jan 25, 2023.
Would it be better to dedicate our time to users who come back to read the answers to their questions?

Hi G

I understand what you are saying, and in many ways I agree. I feel though, that in this case it is different, because this is the poster's first post. She may very well have revisited this post over the past few weeks and not signed in. She was probably waiting for the administrators to accept her first post. I noticed that there has been quite a backlog of first posts, from new forum members, that had got lost in the queue, possibly because they were waiting for their first posts to be accepted. Just my thinking here. (It it is possible that administrators are busy or maybe unwell. Life happens.)

(In the past I have gone to a lot of time and trouble to answer posts, whether they were first or not, and the poster has not replied to my posts. What I tend to do now is just locate one or two records, like I did here, and then after the poster has replied, time permitting, I locate more, because like you say if the poster doesn't come back to read the reply, it is times wasted that could be used to help others who are really interested, and appreciate what has been found. Hope this makes sense.)

Hope you are well.

Angela

BTW: On this forum here, which you contributed to, there is a really interesting post about the Montemurro deaths from 1857 Earthquake. The poster is new, and the post is dated 30 January 2023. I can only see the post if I click on my "notifications". Obviously, the poster is still waiting for the post to be approved.
https://www.italiangenealogy.com/forum/ ... 3&start=30

[rienzi]

Hello @mmogno and @AngelaGrace56,

Thank you so much for your efforts. I apologize it has been awhile since I logged on. Angela was correct that I was waiting for the post to be approved and I missed this. I have not used this site before and did not understand how to easily return.

I am still reading through all of this incredibly helpful information. Will digest it and then see what to look for next. My grandmother passed away when my father was one in 1938. I have only recently have I found any information about her so this truly means a great deal to me.

Thank you again, so much!

[AngelaGrace56]

Hello @mmogno and @AngelaGrace56,

Thank you so much for your efforts. I apologize it has been awhile since I logged on. Angela was correct that I was waiting for the post to be approved and I missed this. I have not used this site before and did not understand how to easily return.

I am still reading through all of this incredibly helpful information. Will digest it and then see what to look for next. My grandmother passed away when my father was one in 1938. I have only recently have I found any information about her so this truly means a great deal to me.

Thank you again, so much!

I am so pleased you've seen the replies here and do ask if you need any more help. (Unfortunately mu computer crashed this week and it is a bit of mission typing up translations at the moment. If you need the two birth records translated let us know.)

Angela

[mmogno]

Record #23. Possible 1st marriage for Nicola La Capra, Domenico's son, Antonio's father on Sep 6, 1812.
https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12 ... 00/wEnkZR7


Banns #23
https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12 ... 95/5KW2EQQ