Catasto provvisorio

[stfrancis]

Hello
Does anyone have any experience on using the Catasto Provvisorio (Murattiano)
They appear to be a registry by landowner which shows the history of his properties' transfers and charges/credits etc.
I know they run from 1809 on...

But can they be used in any way to determine ancestry prior to 1809? From what I've seen online they don't explicitly show family relationships ect... but I am not sure if I understand how they are compiled.

Any input is appreciated as always

[darkerhorse]

Are they equivalent to Sicilian Riveli?

[MarcuccioV]

I found a similar Catasto for my grandparent's commune dated about 25 years before the civil records start. About all I was able to garner from it were a few potential names of previous gens that were not found in the civil records, but nothing that was a direct tie-in or that gave me anything to further my research except adding a couple of names to my family tree (and addresses of families which are no longer applicable as the town was obliterated during WWII bombings and subsequently rebuilt very differently).

I hope your results are more fruitful. I wish you the best of luck.

[luigirusso007]

Hello
The Provisional Cadastre, as has been correctly said, was established beginning in 1809 and in several regions of the Kingdom of Naples was in operation until the early decades of the 20th century.
I have conducted various studies on the Provisional Cadastre, which was the subject of my dissertation, in particular I have delved into the Provisional Cadastre of many municipalities in the province of Terra di Lavoro, also producing several publications.
It consists of various registers and is based on land, property. Partitari data that group the properties of each owner are not always supplemented by paternity and maternity data, so that a specific taxpayer can be precisely identified.
It can be used as a complementary source, helping with other sources, such as that of the Civil Status on with other archival sources available for that Territory/Municipality.
Only in a few cases is landlord data sufficient to accurately determine a particular personage, but in most cases help is needed with other sources.
For research on the Provisional Cadastre, some State Archives make inventories available so that one can locate the register numbers to be requested, but the research must be done at the offices of those Archives.

[stfrancis]

Thank you Luigi, Marcuccio, darker
I think I understand better....

(darkerhorse, I think the riveli are a different type of document, but I am unsure...)

Regarding the catasto provvisorio, do the transaction dates go past the date of death of the person's death ? Are the transactions added back into the same document over time (or is a new document created each year for a given person)? (not sure if you understand what I mean by this...)

I have seen maybe a couple obscure samples online, do we know of any clear examples I could see for myself ?

[luigirusso007]

In the Provisional Cadastre, Partitarians group all properties in the same owner's name. When a property was subject to a transfer of ownership (of whatever type) the property was added to that of the person acquiring said property; if already in the Partitary it was added to the list. If the new owner was not present it was added to the register with a new batch number. A new document was not created, but was added to the paper register.