communes in Palermo Ufficio 1 & 2

[mark4440@comcast.net]

Hi Angela, thank you very much for the info!

Yes, you have a great memory, Yes, one in the same Senofonte!
Do you know what year the photo you had uploaded was taken? Are you talking about the photo of the letter from my aunt Adelaide? If so, that letter was written to my cousin in 1979, Here's an excerpt from that letter: First of all my grandfather, Luigi Lodi was professor of calligraphia. He came from Mantua (Mantova), Italy.
His oldest son was Senofonte Lodi and he was doctor of economy in the city of Potenza, Basilicata.
My grandfather always told me in his letters that we were descendants of the Prince of Orange, Senofonte married a countess.
If you're talking about the photo of the registry, the above document, I haven't been able to find out the date as of yet. Oreste was probably born in 1866 and he was working at the time and he had a younger brother in school so I'd guess that the survey would have been taken somewhere around 1882-1884.

Thanks again, Mark

[AngelaGrace56]

Hi Angela, thank you very much for the info!

Yes, you have a great memory, Yes, one in the same Senofonte!
Do you know what year the photo you had uploaded was taken? Are you talking about the photo of the letter from my aunt Adelaide? Yes, I was. Thanks. Was Aunt Adelaide born in the US or in Palermo? If so, that letter was written to my cousin in 1979, Here's an excerpt from that letter: First of all my grandfather, Luigi Lodi was professor of calligraphia. He came from Mantua (Mantova), Italy.
His oldest son was Senofonte Lodi and he was doctor of economy in the city of Potenza, Basilicata.
My grandfather always told me in his letters that we were descendants of the Prince of Orange, Senofonte married a countess. Intriguing!!! It would be interesting to find out more.
If you're talking about the photo of the registry, the above document, I haven't been able to find out the date as of yet. Oreste was probably born in 1866 and he was working at the time and he had a younger brother in school so I'd guess that the survey would have been taken somewhere around 1882-1884.
Yes I was.
Thanks again, Mark

Angela

[AngelaGrace56]

Following on:

I’ve located the census and it’s quite the goldmine and will assist you with your further research:

Luigi Lodi, was the son of Vincenzo Lodi and the deceased Maria Antonia Urangia.
He was born 16 February 1834, a School Teacher, married in Governolo to Adelaide Pellegrini, daughter of Piedro/Pietro and the deceased Teresa Maltini, a tailer, born in 1837. She was born in Mantova but he was born in Volta Mantovana, Palermo.

The children of Luigi Lodi and Adelaide Pellegrini:
Senofonte Lodi, born 31 August 1860, Governolo,
Antenore, born 14 July 1861, Governolo
Adone, born 31 September 1863, Bruno (It would be interesting to see names given on Birth “Act”)
Oreste, born 27 July 1864, Bruno
Empedocle, born 31 August 1878 which basically tallies with his age of 26 on 1903 immigration record. He was born in Sutera, Caltanissetta

You already have the children’s occupations as extracted from the index.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cc=2212671

Angela

[AngelaGrace56]

If I'm deciphering correctly Luigi Lodi and Adelaide Pelligrini were married in Giovernolo on 8 October 1859?

Angela

[mark4440@comcast.net]

WOW, Agela, AMAZING WORK, HOW DID YOU FIND THAT! Thank you so very much!!! You aren't kidding that that was a gold mine!
Yes, Aunt Adelaide was born in Palermo in 1899 (Ufficio 2) and my grandfather, Luigi was also born in Palermo in 1902 (Ufficio 1). Here's the attached index for their births:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cat=316910
Yes, that would be interesting to find out more about Sentofonte! I've been checking but haven't found anything yet.
Also, on the above birth indexes I found children born to Antenore. AND, you just confirmed that I found the correct brothers because I found the marriage indexes for both, Antenore and Odone (spelled with 2 d's) on the following link: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cat=316910 and guess who their mothers were? Adelaide Pelligrini!
I just went to the Family Research center in Mesa, AZ today but I didn't get very far - I'm still trying to find out how to access the Volume and Numbers that are listed on the indexes but I can't find anyone that knows.
Thanks again! Mark
BTW, what country and state do you live in?

[AngelaGrace56]

WOW, Angela, AMAZING WORK, HOW DID YOU FIND THAT! Thank you so very much!!! You aren't kidding that that was a gold mine!

Very happy to have helped. It was a cool find especially with all the info there. I basically just following my normal method: I clicked on "search", then "catalogue", typed in, "Mantova, Mantova, then clicked on the relevant promts from there eg clicked on "Italy, Lombardy, Mantova, Mantova - Census Collection 1750-1900, which brought me to : FamilySearch Catalog: Italy, Mantova, Mantova, censuses (Comune) = Italia, Mantova, Mantova, censimenti (Comune) : COLLECTION RECORD, 1750-1900 — FamilySearch.org

There I clicked on "Browse All 50,524 images.
(From the information on the index I knew that the page number was 7697 so I scrolled down to (1800-1900), clicked on "Registri di popolazione 1800-1900 (n7674-8001): Italy, Mantova, Mantova, Censuses (Comune), 1750-1900; https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1 ... A373475201 and went to image No 27, so it was pretty straight forward. There might be a shorter way but this worked for me at the time.


I just went to the Family Research center in Mesa, AZ today but I didn't get very far - I'm still trying to find out how to access the Volume and Numbers that are listed on the indexes but I can't find anyone that knows.

It is quite possible that if those later civil records have been filmed, that maybe they have yet to be digitised. When I searched S.Agata, S.Cristina (Ufficio 1) and S.Ninfa, S.Oliva (Ufficio 2) I didn't find any civil records past 1861 on Family Search. So keep checking Family Search and Antenati. At least you have the information from the indices for now. You could always write to Palermo using the address given to you earlier on this forum. Another option would be to consult with someone like Marcello D'Aleo who specialises in Sicilian genealogy. You should be able to contact him hear through the forum, or sign up to his facebook page and send him a message there.

Angela

[AngelaGrace56]

WOW, Angela, AMAZING WORK, HOW DID YOU FIND THAT! Thank you so very much!!! You aren't kidding that that was a gold mine!

Very happy to have helped. It was a cool find especially with all the info there. I basically just followed my normal method: I clicked on "search", then "catalogue", typed in, "Mantova, Mantova, then clicked on the relevant prompts from there eg clicked on "Italy, Lombardy, Mantova, Mantova - Census Collection 1750-1900, which brought me to : FamilySearch Catalog: Italy, Mantova, Mantova, censuses (Comune) = Italia, Mantova, Mantova, censimenti (Comune) : COLLECTION RECORD, 1750-1900 — FamilySearch.org

There I clicked on "Browse All 50,524 images.
(From the information on the index I knew that the page number was 7697 so I scrolled down to (1800-1900), clicked on "Registri di popolazione 1800-1900 (n7674-8001): Italy, Mantova, Mantova, Censuses (Comune), 1750-1900; https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1 ... A373475201 and went to image No 27, so it was pretty straight forward. There might be a shorter way but this worked for me at the time.


I just went to the Family Research center in Mesa, AZ today but I didn't get very far - I'm still trying to find out how to access the Volume and Numbers that are listed on the indexes but I can't find anyone that knows.

It is quite possible that if those later civil records have been filmed, that maybe they have yet to be digitised. When I searched S.Agata, S.Cristina (Ufficio 1) and S.Ninfa, S.Oliva (Ufficio 2) I didn't find any civil records past 1861 on Family Search. So keep checking Family Search and Antenati. At least you have the information from the indices for now. You could always write to Palermo using the address given to you earlier on this forum. Another option would be to consult with someone like Marcello D'Aleo who specialises in Sicilian genealogy. You should be able to contact him here through the forum, or sign up to his facebook group page and send him a message there.

Angela

Sicilian and Southern Italian Genealogy Face Book: https://www.facebook.com/groups/sicilyg ... &ref=notif


Angela

[mark4440@comcast.net]

Hi Angela,

Thanks again for the info on how to find the info in Mantova and the info on Sicily!
Do you know what year that census was taken in Montova?
I was just entering all of the info that you had translated into my Family Search tree and when I was entering "Empedocle, born 31 August 1878, born in Sutera, Caltanissetta" it stated that Sutera, Caltanissetta was located in Sicily, is that correct? I also noticed that Luigi was born Volta Mantovana, Palermo but when I entered that into Family Search there was another option to choose from and that was: Volta Mantovana, Mantova, Lombardy, Italy, do you think that census taker got it wrong and put Palermo rather than Mantova? If indeed Luigi was born in Sicily that would mean that he would have been traveling back and forth from Sicily Montova? And one last question, (sorry), on the same line as Adelaide, on first column on the second page, there's a date of 1852, do you know what that is? Thanks so much, I hope that I'm not over burdening you! Mark

[AngelaGrace56]

Hi Angela,

Thanks again for the info on how to find the info in Mantova and the info on Sicily!
Do you know what year that census was taken in Montova? Possibly 1881 or 1891? 1891 seems to fit better because Empedocle would have only been 3ish in 1881, so not at school. If he in fact was born in 1878. I checked the 1878 birth records in Sutera, Caltanissetta but no Empedocle Lodi born there that year. I also looked at the records but nothing there. It could be that they registered him somewhere else of course.


I was just entering all of the info that you had translated into my Family Search tree and when I was entering "Empedocle, born 31 August 1878, born in Sutera, Caltanissetta" it stated that Sutera, Caltanissetta was located in Sicily, is that correct? Yes, it is.

I also noticed that Luigi was born Volta Mantovana, Palermo but when I entered that into Family Search there was another option to choose from and that was: Volta Mantovana, Mantova, Lombardy, Italy, do you think that census taker got it wrong and put Palermo rather than Mantova? Yes, that could very well be true and there seems to be a note on the second page which could very well be a correction? Not sure. I'm struggling to decipher what it is saying. If indeed Luigi was born in Sicily that would mean that he would have been traveling back and forth from Sicily Montova? And one last question, (sorry), on the same line as Adelaide, on first column on the second page, there's a date of 1852, do you know what that is? I'm not really sure, It doesn't really make sense to me and the script is tricky. Thanks so much, I hope that I'm not over burdening you! Mark

My suggestion to you would be to get the two Census pages translated on our translations form, just in case I've misinterpreted anything or left out anything important. I'm having issues with seeing clear images on Family Search at the moment. The images are blurry but eventually become clearer. I feel that it is better to get it translated on the translations forum because mostly everything there gets scrutinised by others. It's possible that no one has checked my translation here. I would much rather you get it right. Some things to do with the info on the census don't quite add up so I may have misinterpreted somewhere.

This thread has maybe got too long now, and branched out into different topics. If you have any further questions just set up a different thread, with a relevant title. That way they are easier to find if others have the same questions or if others can chime in with the correct information.

Best to you.
Angela

[mark4440@comcast.net]

Sounds good, thanks again, I really appreciate all of your help!

[AngelaGrace56]

You are very welcome.

Angela

[mmogno]

Aug 24 1877. Birth of Empedocle Onofrio Paolino Lodi in Sutera. Father: Luigi (Vincenzo's son). Mother: Adelaide Pellegrini (Pietro's daughter). Record #107
https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12 ... 76/Lm432YW

[AngelaGrace56]

Aug 24 1877. Birth of Empedocle Onofrio Paolino Lodi in Sutera. Father: Luigi (Vincenzo's son). Mother: Adelaide Pellegrini (Pietro's daughter). Record #107
https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12 ... 76/Lm432YW

@mmogno


There was an error in the Census. I only checked 1878 births but in hindsight should've checked 1877 as well as I'd noticed on his immigration record that his birth year was 1877.

Below is the information that I was able to glean from the Census record. Some things don't add up. I couldn't decipher the wording on the right page.

Following on:

I’ve located the census and it’s quite the goldmine and will assist you with your further research:

Luigi Lodi, was the son of Vincenzo Lodi and the deceased Maria Antonia Urangia.
He was born 16 February 1834, a School Teacher, married in Governolo to Adelaide Pellegrini, daughter of Piedro/Pietro and the deceased Teresa Maltini, a tailer, born in 1837. She was born in Mantova but he was born in Volta Mantovana, Palermo.

The children of Luigi Lodi and Adelaide Pellegrini:
Senofonte Lodi, born 31 August 1860, Governolo,
Antenore, born 14 July 1861, Governolo
Adone, born 31 September 1863, Bruno (It would be interesting to see names given on Birth “Act”)
Oreste, born 27 July 1864, Bruno
Empedocle, born 31 August 1878 which basically tallies with his age of 26 on 1903 immigration record. He was born in Sutera, Caltanissetta

You already have the children’s occupations as extracted from the index.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cc=2212671

Angela

If you have time to help. Thanks, G.

Angela

[mark4440@comcast.net]

Thanks, Mmogno and Angela, I appreciate all of your help!

[mmogno]

Family Pellegrini
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cc=2212671