Falcinella

[falcinella]

Looking to complete the family connections

Pietro Paolo Battista Falcinella born 1867 and married Maria Anna Curti on 16/2/1902. Looking for details of siblings respectively for Pietro and Maria

Thanks

[Farassino]

The fact that you always open new threads leads to a certain confusion because one always has to search and read previous discussions to find the details of the people you are referring to.

Perhaps it would be better to continue with the same one to have all the informations at hand.

[AngelaGrace56]

Looking to complete the family connections

Pietro Paolo Battista Falcinella born 1867 and married Maria Anna Curti on 16/2/1902. Looking for details of siblings respectively for Pietro and Maria

Thanks

Working forwards from 1866 I have searched all the indices up to 1883 inclusive for syblings birth records. I’ll carry on checking the indices onwards from 1883 later for children born to Francesco Curti and Caterina Pedroncelli in case there were any more after 1883 as I need to go out soon. The only record I located for children born to Pietro Falcinella and Martina Starlucchi, born in this timeframe, was the one for your Pietro Paolo Battista which you already have. The other children must have been born before this. Checking for marriage records, if they are online at the antenati site, for respective parents will take you back further and help to confirm Francesco Curti's father's name.

1870 Birth No 20: Battista Curti, son of Francesco Curti (of deceased Francesco?) 35 yo, living in Verceia, and of his wife Caterina Pedroncelli (daughter of deceased Cristoforo), 29 yo. Born Verceia on 5 August 1870

Annotation: Marriage with Maria Oregioni Verceia, Act No 2, on 11 March 1900?
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cc=2043841


1872 Birth No 3: Francesco Curti, son of Francesco Curti (of Alteo?) 31 yo, and of Catterina Pedroncelli 30 yo, (of deceased Cristoforo), Dob – 15 February 1872

Annotation: Marries with Adelaida ?, Verceia, Act No 2, on 20 June ?
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cc=2043841


1875 Birth No 15 Costante Curti, son of Francesco Curti, 42 yo, contadino, and Catterina Pedroncelli. Dob - 3 June 1875
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cc=2043841


1880 Birth No 6 Disolina Curti, daughter of Francesco Curti, 40 yo, agricolo, living in Verceia, and of Catterina Pedroncelli, a contadina, his wife living with him. Dob - 20 February 1880
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cc=2043841

(I'll come back and sort out my question marks later as well.)

Angela

[falcinella]

Thanks Farasinno for your advice. I understand.

Angela, is it possible that Martina Sterlocchi could have died before having any more children after having Pietro. Would a death certificate confirm this?

[AngelaGrace56]

Looking to complete the family connections

Pietro Paolo Battista Falcinella born 1867 and married Maria Anna Curti on 16/2/1902. Looking for details of siblings respectively for Pietro and Maria

Thanks

1872 Birth No 3: Francesco Curti, son of Francesco Curti (of Alteo?) 31 yo, and of Catterina Pedroncelli 30 yo, (of deceased Cristoforo), Dob – 15 February 1872

Annotation: Marries with Adelaida ?, Verceia, Act No 2, on 20 June ?
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cc=2043841

Angela

The above marriage annotation should read: "Marries with Adelaide Sciaini, Verceia, Act No 2, on 22 June 1899. Here is the said marriage record:

Marriage No 2 – Francesco Curti with Adelaide Sciaini

Verceia: 22 May 1899

Groom: Francesco Curti, a contadino, (peasant), born 15 February 1872, residing Verceia, the son of “Francesco”, and of Catterina Pedroncelli, both residing Verceia, never married

Bride: Adelaide Sciaini, a contadina (peasant), born Verceia on 11 November 1876, residing Verceia, the daughter of Salvatore Sciaini and of the deceased Rosa Copes, both residing in Verceia, never married
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cc=2043841


Angela

[AngelaGrace56]

Angela, is it possible that Martina Sterlocchi could have died before having any more children after having Pietro. Would a death certificate confirm this?

Anythings possible. We know from the 1902 marriage record that she had already passed but we don't know when. Looking for her death record would confirm her date of death and also give her parents name on it which would take you back further.

Edit to Add:

Here it is here:

1871 Death No 9 Martina Sterlocchi, Married

Martina Sterlocchi died 26 March 1871 at 11 pm in the town of Verceia. She was the daughter of the deceased Francesco Sterlocchi and of the deceased Domenica Oreggioni. She was a contadina, 34 yo, the wife of the living Pietro Falcinella.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cc=2043841

Good thinking

Angela

[AngelaGrace56]

Looking to complete the family connections

Pietro Paolo Battista Falcinella born 1867 and married Maria Anna Curti on 16/2/1902. Looking for details of siblings respectively for Pietro and Maria

Thanks

1870 Birth No 20: Battista Curti, son of Francesco Curti (of deceased Francesco?) 35 yo, living in Verceia, and of his wife Caterina Pedroncelli (daughter of deceased Cristoforo), 29 yo. Born Verceia on 5 August 1870

Annotation: Marriage with Maria Oregioni Verceia, Act No 2, on 11 March 1900
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cc=2043841

Angela

Marriage No 2: Battista Curti and Maria Caterina Oregioni
Verceia: 11 March 1900

Groom: Battista Curti, agricolo, born in Verceia on 5 August 1870, residing in Verceia, son of Francesco Curti and of Caterina Pedroncelli, both residing Verceia, never married.

Bride: Maria Caterina Oregioni, contadina, born in Verceia on 23 May 1876, the daughter of Lorenzo Oregioni and of Marta Copes, both residing in Verceia. She was nubile (never married).
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cc=2043841

The spelling can be either Oregioni or Oreggioni in the records. I 'll leave you to sort it out. There seem to be quite a few dual spellings in these records.

BTW: I personally don't have an issue with you setting up separate threads but what would be helpful is to link us to the related topics so that we can see what has already been covered etc. Giving us a summary with correct dates etc would also help

Angela

[falcinella]

Thankyou so much Angela. This really is such a helpful site. I am sure I will be back requesting more information. I will certainly try to reference for more easier searching.

[AngelaGrace56]

Just wanted to let you know that I did continue my search for any further children born to Francesco and Catterina after the birth of Disolina in 1880 but didn’t see any. (I went to 1889 which would’ve made Catterina well into her 40’s.)

Here is Francesco and Catterina’s 1870 marriage record.

1870 Marriage Francesco Curti and Catterina Pedroncelli

Verceia 10 April 1870

Groom: Francesco Curti, 37 yo (c.1833), contadino, residing in Verceia, the son of Francesco Curti and of the deceased Maria Copes, a contadina, who had resided in Verceia.

Bride: Catterina Pedroncelli, 29 yo (c.1841), agricola, residing in Verceia, the daughter of the deceased Cristoforo Pedroncelli and of the deceased Giovanna Oregioni, both contadini who had both resided and died in Verceia

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cc=2043841

Angela

[falcinella]

Angela, is it possible that Martina Sterlocchi could have died before having any more children after having Pietro. Would a death certificate confirm this?

Anythings possible. We know from the 1902 marriage record that she had already passed but we don't know when. Looking for her death record would confirm her date of death and also give her parents name on it which would take you back further.

Edit to Add:

Here it is here:

1871 Death No 9 Martina Sterlocchi, Married

Martina Sterlocchi died 26 March 1871 at 11 pm in the town of Verceia. She was the daughter of the deceased Francesco Sterlocchi and of the deceased Domenica Oreggioni. She was a contadina, 34 yo, the wife of the living Pietro Falcinella.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cc=2043841

Good thinking

Angela

Thanks Angela for following up on the information.

Is it possible to find out if Martina Sterlochhi have had any brothers or sisters?

[AngelaGrace56]

Unfortunately there doesn’t appear to be any searchable civil records currently on line for the town of Verceia, Sondrio prior to 1866. In fact I don’t think anything has been filmed prior to 1866 for the town.

Here is what is currently online for the Verceia: https://www.familysearch.org/search/cat ... %20Library

Given that Martina was born circa 1837 etc, any syblings she may have had would’ve most probably have been born before 1866, unless her mother was very young when she married or her mother died and her father remarried and there were half syblings. The other issue is we don’t know exactly what town Martina was born in as it is not noted on her death record which makes me wonder whether she may not have been born in the town. Today I have gone through all the Death Records 1866-1929 looking for any Death Records pertaining to syblings of Martina. During that 63 year time period, I only came across five Death Records for the surname Sterlochhi, which further makes me wonder whether Martina may have been born elsewhere. My thinking is that Sterlochhi probably isn’t a “Verceia” surname. Without access to Civil Records prior to 1866 this is the best I can do at the moment regarding this.

Angela

[falcinella]

Thanks so much for your efforts. It is much appreciated. Does the Death Certificate indicate a cause of death?

[AngelaGrace56]

Thanks so much for your efforts. It is much appreciated. Does the Death Certificate indicate a cause of death?

Happy to help. No, generally Death Acts/Records don't indicate a cause of death. (Sometimes you will see a cause of death noted if the event happened either in another town, another country, when it is a hospital death etc. These types of deaths, for years 1866 onwards, would generally appear in the supplementary registers at the end of each year.)

Angela

[AngelaGrace56]

Re Supplementary Registers you might be interested in the following:

(Scroll to carubia's original post dated 7 November 2017)
https://www.italiangenealogy.com/forum/ ... II#p269277

Angela

[falcinella]

Thanks so much. A very informative explanation. A gift to have these registers and this forum to help everyone with their research