Viareggio
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Viareggio
Hello everyone,thanks for letting me join.
My wife and I are visiting Viareggio in April. Her great grandparents lived in Viareggio before moving to Ireland where her grandmother was born. My wife’s great grandmother is buried in Partigliano,there does not seem to be a findagrave website for the graveyard.
The surnames were Marchetti and Nicoletti.
Is there a site I can search to find out where they lived in Viareggio etc?
Thank you,
John
My wife and I are visiting Viareggio in April. Her great grandparents lived in Viareggio before moving to Ireland where her grandmother was born. My wife’s great grandmother is buried in Partigliano,there does not seem to be a findagrave website for the graveyard.
The surnames were Marchetti and Nicoletti.
Is there a site I can search to find out where they lived in Viareggio etc?
Thank you,
John
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If you find her GGP's birth and marriage records, they might report their addresses.
So, if you provide some names and dates, we can try to help you.
So, if you provide some names and dates, we can try to help you.
Giuseppe "Pippo" Moccaldi
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Re: Viareggio
Hiya,
Apologies for the delay. Thank you for replying.
They were Lazarra Marchetti born 1878 approx and Celida/Chelda Nicoletti born 1890 approx.
Thanks a million,
John
Apologies for the delay. Thank you for replying.
They were Lazarra Marchetti born 1878 approx and Celida/Chelda Nicoletti born 1890 approx.
Thanks a million,
John
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I've looked in the ten-year index 1876-1885
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... 43&lang=it
and couldn't find him.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... 43&lang=it
and couldn't find him.
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Re: Viareggio
Ok,thank's a million for your help.
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Hi Pippo,
We had our trip to Tuscany last week,stunning part of the world. It turn's out Lazarra and Celide were from Partigliano in the mountains. We found the graveyard that Celide is buried in and there are lots of Nicoletti's and a few Marchetti's buried there too. Does this info make it easier to find their registration details? I've sent e-mail's to the priests I found on a website so am hoping for a response.
Thank you.
We had our trip to Tuscany last week,stunning part of the world. It turn's out Lazarra and Celide were from Partigliano in the mountains. We found the graveyard that Celide is buried in and there are lots of Nicoletti's and a few Marchetti's buried there too. Does this info make it easier to find their registration details? I've sent e-mail's to the priests I found on a website so am hoping for a response.
Thank you.
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Hello,
Partigliano is an hamlet in the municipality of Borgo a Mozzano, as you may know.
Who were the parents of Celide Nicoletti? Do you know?
I’ve located a birth in 1891.
Dates on her grave?
Who was this person named Marchetti? Her husband?
Then his name should have been Lazzaro or Lazaro and maybe not Lazarra.
Have you located his grave?
Date of marriage? Any sons born in Italy?
Partigliano is an hamlet in the municipality of Borgo a Mozzano, as you may know.
Who were the parents of Celide Nicoletti? Do you know?
I’ve located a birth in 1891.
Dates on her grave?
Who was this person named Marchetti? Her husband?
Then his name should have been Lazzaro or Lazaro and maybe not Lazarra.
Have you located his grave?
Date of marriage? Any sons born in Italy?
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Good morning,
Thank you for replying,I sent a msg yesterday but it didn't go through. Strange.
So,when I'm looking for records I should type Borgo a Mozzano?
As per Celide's marriage certificate her father was Abraham Nicoletti and he was a carpenter.
Her date of birth was 18th Mar 1891. Her date of death was 28th May 1950.
Lazarro/Lazarra Marchetti was Celide's husband. He is recorded as both Lazaro and Lazara on the marriage cert so I will bow to your knowledge on that one.
He is buried in Dublin but I havn't been to his grave yet. I'll take a trip this week.
They were married in Dublin on the 7th Nov 1909.
They had 5 daughter's,all born in Dublin.
The witnesses to the marriage was an Aurelio and Annie Bassi,husband and wife. I've found DNA matches to the mother-in-law with the surname Bassi so it would suggest Aurelio was related to either Laz or Celide.
I also found an Abramo Nicoletti,a carpenter in the 1901 Irish census along with several other Nicoletti's. They were gone by 1911 but perhap's that was Celide's father working in Ireland then when she came of age she moved here.
The other Nicoletti's could have been her sibling's.
Very interesting,thank's a million for helping out.
Thank you for replying,I sent a msg yesterday but it didn't go through. Strange.
So,when I'm looking for records I should type Borgo a Mozzano?
As per Celide's marriage certificate her father was Abraham Nicoletti and he was a carpenter.
Her date of birth was 18th Mar 1891. Her date of death was 28th May 1950.
Lazarro/Lazarra Marchetti was Celide's husband. He is recorded as both Lazaro and Lazara on the marriage cert so I will bow to your knowledge on that one.
He is buried in Dublin but I havn't been to his grave yet. I'll take a trip this week.
They were married in Dublin on the 7th Nov 1909.
They had 5 daughter's,all born in Dublin.
The witnesses to the marriage was an Aurelio and Annie Bassi,husband and wife. I've found DNA matches to the mother-in-law with the surname Bassi so it would suggest Aurelio was related to either Laz or Celide.
I also found an Abramo Nicoletti,a carpenter in the 1901 Irish census along with several other Nicoletti's. They were gone by 1911 but perhap's that was Celide's father working in Ireland then when she came of age she moved here.
The other Nicoletti's could have been her sibling's.
Very interesting,thank's a million for helping out.
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Hi,
The birth I located is the right one. DOB 15 March 1891 #62
Here it is:
Celide Nicoletti daughter of Abramo and Emma Bassi.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... 00&lang=en
I also got little gem for you.
This is the transcription, dated 2 May 1910, in the municipality of Borgo a Mozzano of the wedding celebrated in Saints Michael and John Catholic Church in Dublin.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... 55&lang=en
The birth I located is the right one. DOB 15 March 1891 #62
Here it is:
Celide Nicoletti daughter of Abramo and Emma Bassi.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... 00&lang=en
I also got little gem for you.
This is the transcription, dated 2 May 1910, in the municipality of Borgo a Mozzano of the wedding celebrated in Saints Michael and John Catholic Church in Dublin.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... 55&lang=en
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Attachments to the wedding.
Amongst them you’ll also find the baptism records extracts of the bride and groom.
Lazzaro Marchetti was born in Partigliano on 4 June 1879.
Parents were Giovanni and Clementina Pieretti.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... 78&lang=en
Mmmmm. This looks very odd!
Looking for the civil birth record of Lazzaro I’ve found a Vincenzo born on 4 June 1879 and no sign of Lazzaro.
Parents are the same but this one married a Libera Sesti in 1902.
There could have been a mix up.
Needs investigating further.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... 95&lang=en
This was the baptism extract included with the attachments:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... 83&lang=en
Amongst them you’ll also find the baptism records extracts of the bride and groom.
Lazzaro Marchetti was born in Partigliano on 4 June 1879.
Parents were Giovanni and Clementina Pieretti.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... 78&lang=en
Mmmmm. This looks very odd!
Looking for the civil birth record of Lazzaro I’ve found a Vincenzo born on 4 June 1879 and no sign of Lazzaro.
Parents are the same but this one married a Libera Sesti in 1902.
There could have been a mix up.
Needs investigating further.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... 95&lang=en
This was the baptism extract included with the attachments:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... 83&lang=en
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Ah Farassino,thank you so much!!!! I owe you a pint!!!!
Thank's for the translation because I was expecting to see it written in English haha.
You've found the Bassi link for me,perfect!!! I'm pretty sure I've seen Pieretti in DNA matches,perfect!!
These names should help me flesh out the family tree's for siblings too,perfect!!
I know from my own grand uncles they all went by their second name and not the name on the birth cert so this could the case for Lazzaro/Vincenzo too?
Thanks a million again,you're a legend!!!!
Thank's for the translation because I was expecting to see it written in English haha.
You've found the Bassi link for me,perfect!!! I'm pretty sure I've seen Pieretti in DNA matches,perfect!!
These names should help me flesh out the family tree's for siblings too,perfect!!
I know from my own grand uncles they all went by their second name and not the name on the birth cert so this could the case for Lazzaro/Vincenzo too?
Thanks a million again,you're a legend!!!!
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My wife just reminded me that her grand aunt,daughter of Lazzaro and Celide was a Clementine meaning she would have been named after her grandmother Clementina. So that add's up.
Clementine is buried in the same grave as Lazzaro in Dublin.
Maybe Lazzaro married Libera Sesti and she died,then he moved to Ireland where he married Celide? He was a good 10 years older than her.
Also my wife is Linda Emma so she has Emma after her great great grandmother,this is brilliant!!!
Clementine is buried in the same grave as Lazzaro in Dublin.
Maybe Lazzaro married Libera Sesti and she died,then he moved to Ireland where he married Celide? He was a good 10 years older than her.
Also my wife is Linda Emma so she has Emma after her great great grandmother,this is brilliant!!!
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Yes, I thought that Libera Sesti could have died as well.
And she actually did, aged 25 on 25 may 1903. #10
Her parents were unknown and she was married, as we know, to Vincenzo Marchetti.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... X2&lang=en
Her birth record. Born in Partigliano on 14 may 1877.
The declarant is Odoardo Pierucci, 30yo, to whom the newborn was entrusted, keeping her given name imposed by the municipal officer. #117
He could have been her real father but this needs to be investigated further and it would be a very difficult search. On the act it says “ born from a woman who refuses to be named”. Libera was not a foundling, she just was not legitimized.
There’s also confirmation of marriage with Vincenzo in 1902.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... g=en&i=255
And here’s the marriage on 14 December 1902. #52
One of the witnesses is Pietro Marchetti, 34yo, who is probably related to Vincenzo. Possibly a brother.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... g=en&i=112
Now all we need to do is to find confirmation that Vincenzo and Lazzaro are the same person or not.
Thanks for the pint!
And she actually did, aged 25 on 25 may 1903. #10
Her parents were unknown and she was married, as we know, to Vincenzo Marchetti.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... X2&lang=en
Her birth record. Born in Partigliano on 14 may 1877.
The declarant is Odoardo Pierucci, 30yo, to whom the newborn was entrusted, keeping her given name imposed by the municipal officer. #117
He could have been her real father but this needs to be investigated further and it would be a very difficult search. On the act it says “ born from a woman who refuses to be named”. Libera was not a foundling, she just was not legitimized.
There’s also confirmation of marriage with Vincenzo in 1902.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... g=en&i=255
And here’s the marriage on 14 December 1902. #52
One of the witnesses is Pietro Marchetti, 34yo, who is probably related to Vincenzo. Possibly a brother.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... g=en&i=112
Now all we need to do is to find confirmation that Vincenzo and Lazzaro are the same person or not.
Thanks for the pint!
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Yes,that makes sense. Poor Libera had a tough short life.
I found records for a Casimero Marchetti in the States who's parent's were Giovanni and Clementina Marchetti.
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageviewer/ ... 1209322720
He was from Partigliano too.
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/search/colle ... 4033228205
His point of contact in the States was his cousin who was a Giambastini and I've found DNA matches that link to a Giambastini.
So it look's like we are on the right track for Lazzaro/Vincenzo,we just need as you say the confirmation.
Great stuff!!
I found records for a Casimero Marchetti in the States who's parent's were Giovanni and Clementina Marchetti.
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageviewer/ ... 1209322720
He was from Partigliano too.
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/search/colle ... 4033228205
His point of contact in the States was his cousin who was a Giambastini and I've found DNA matches that link to a Giambastini.
So it look's like we are on the right track for Lazzaro/Vincenzo,we just need as you say the confirmation.
Great stuff!!
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Just found a DNA cousin to my mother-in-law (grand daughter of Lazarro) who is more than likely a 2nd cousin. His grandparent's were a Venanzio Pieretti 1870-1930 and Nellie Pieretti 1891-
Looking more concrete now.
Looking more concrete now.