re: family lines of dean martin aka dino crocetti

[mezzogiorno62]

doing some research on the family lines of dean martin. dino crocetti. parents gaetano crocetti and angela barra. according to records online gaetano was born in montesilvano abruzzi in 1893 or 1894 and died in 1967. his parents giovanni crocetti and maria focosa.i checked montesilvano records for those years and found nothing. angela barra aka barr was born ca.1897 in west virginia to parents dominico barra and josephine miraglia. she died in 1966. both domenico and josephine born in italy but nothing clear regarding where. they met and married here in 1893. no information for their births or deaths. if anyone out there has more information regarding these family lines let me know.

[Farassino]

Gaetano Crocetti was born in Salino, Montesilvano. 5 December 1893. #32
https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12 ... 3z?lang=en

[mezzogiorno62]

interesting. no mention is ever made of salino. i see that salino appears to be a separate place from montesilvano. yet its somewhat of a frazione. i found the marriage of gaetano's parents giovanni and maria focosa. montesilvano 1884. both born of unknown parents. padre and madre ignoto. so that ends that family line.the lines of gaetano's wife angela barra (barr) more elusive. domenico barra and giuseppina miraglia. they married in ohio in 1893. no exact places of birth in italy are noted and no place and dates of death are known.i've seen bergamo in lombardy as a possible place of birth for domenico barra.possibly in the naples area for giuseppina miraglia. all over the map. this line is more difficult to trace than the crocetti line.

[Danip]

If you need, I can help you for the Domenico Barra line in Bergamo.

[mezzogiorno62]

only doing this out of curiosity. not even sure domenico barra was from lombardy or bergamo. just information found online which is often erroneous and inconsistent. its doubtful an immmigrant from northern italy would marry one from the south. but as i said,just thinking someone out there with connections to the barra/miraglia families might have information.

[Danip]

Thank you very much, but I think the best thing to do is to verify all these informations to confirm them or not.

Even it was doubtful, at the end of the XIXth century, it would be more likely to happen in the USA than in Italy a marriage between people from Northern and Southern Italy.
In Italy, it started to be common after the Second World War, when people from Southern Italy migrated and settled to the more developed North.

[mezzogiorno62]

its not so much about the unlikelihood of immigrants from very different parts of italy marrying. more about all the conflicting entries found online. lots of unsubstaniated conflicting information online. one entry at ancestry gives dominico barra as born in bergamo in 1857 and dying in ohio in 1965 age 108. highly unlikely. another at find a grave gives his birth in montesilvano abruzzi,same place as gaetano crocetti his son in law in 1857 and dying in arizona in 1933. totally different entries. more like wild guesswork. and nothing on giuseppina miraglia,other than being born ca. 1862. the approx. birth years of 1857 for dominico and 1862 for giuseppina probably came from their entry in the 1900 census giving their ages as 43 and 38. more info. found on the line of gaetano crocetti,born in italy,than that of dominico barra and wife giuseppina miraglia,born in italy but married here and most likely buried in ohio. yet nothing found anywhwhere indicating places of birth in italy or place of death.