Dual Citizenship Question & Clarification of Renounciati

evecchione · Post by **evecchione** » 23 Jul 2003, 18:14

Hi Peter,

My wife and I are trying to figure out if she is able to claim italian citizenship from her father. I can't seem to find a clear answer on this issue yet, and I wanted to see what you might have to say about this.

We read up on the italian consulate web site about the whole process of jure di sanguine but ran across a minor grey area with his citizenship.

He was born in Italy and came over to the states before she was born.
He served in the US army, and to the best of our knowledge became a US citizen ( obtained a social security# and all)

However, we don't have any documentation of him "renouncing" his italian citizenship.

If he became a naturalized US citizen, does that mean he automatically renounces his italian citizenship by default through the process?

Or is there a secondary process in which he has to sign a document "renouncing" his citizenship?

Is there a US agency we could research to see if this document exists, or would the consulate have a record of this, if he did it?

If there is a renunciation process, which we are fairly certain that he never did, then is it it's safe to assume that he held dual citizenship, which transfers to my wife?

I know these are semantical questions, and we are going to the consulate soon to get all this sorted out. But I wanted to see if you had any thing to say, or know of any resources that we could use to clarify this issue before we get the consulate folks involved.

Thanks again, your knowledge is very helpful
Erik

ptimber · Post by **ptimber** » 23 Jul 2003, 18:23

I really do not know but it would seem that if one became a naturalized UScitizen you could still possess dual citizenship so that by doing what a UScitizen is ecpected to do like swearing oaths and serving in the US army does not constitute a renunciation of citizenship in Italy. While I am noit certain it would appear to be a formal renuciation would have had to have taken place in order to shed italian citizenship. I suspect that you need do nothing in tyhis regard and submit documents you have and deny that italian citizenship was renouinced and let them tell you if it was. This is going by what little I know and by deductive reasoning. Don't rely on my word as this is just what I think. Peter

evecchione · Post by **evecchione** » 23 Jul 2003, 18:32

Thanks,

We'll find out the verdict soon and post the info we have to the site, as there are probably other people like us out there who may have questionable and grey areas like this to deal with.

The requirements and processes on the consulate web site are pretty vague and narrow in focus - and understandably so, its more paperwork and policies - My guts tellin me that this will be a fun adventure in international beauracracy.

Cheers

E

ptimber · Post by **ptimber** » 23 Jul 2003, 19:09

I hardly think that anybody who is serious enough to want Italian citizenship would rely on this forum to obtain it. I would think that they would contact the Italian Consulate and deak with them directgly or go to a agency or attorney that deals with these matters. I realize you are well intentioned but all you are really offering is your story since everyone is different with different needs. peter

evecchione · Post by **evecchione** » 23 Jul 2003, 21:08

Peter,

We are doing all of what you mentioned. We do take this seriously, and I don't like to leave any stone unturned, so I came to this site to see if there was any information or person's experiences related to what we are trying to do.

I was simply asking your advice for something, based off of the thousands of other posts that you reply to, you seemed like you would be knowledgeable in this area. You have offered your advice on other questions I have brought to this forum, and I have found it to be very insightful and helpful. that I thank you for. But it seems like my questions have irritated you for some reason. I apologize if they have irritated you, and I don't understand the negative tone or reasoning for the comments in your last reply.

In as far as why we are using this site, we see this as a valuable community resource to learn from, seek out help for issues, as well as share our thoughts and experiences with, not a cheap or lazy way to get from point a to point b, or to create a soap-opera fluff piece about my wife's citizenship research- which you seem to be inferring.

I apologize and l will spare you the trouble of having to read through all that

Good Day

Erik Vecchione

ptimber · Post by **ptimber** » 23 Jul 2003, 22:01

I have to apologize to you for my harsh tones. I could have said nothing or thanked you for your input or let it go at that. I am concerned about giving people the wrong information and use that as an excuse to be a boor on a hot humid day. I am sorry. Peter

evecchione · Post by **evecchione** » 23 Jul 2003, 22:09

understood, and your concern is valid.
I've been digging through this issue for the last month or so and every story is different, just looking for the straight dope.

Hope you're able to find some refreshment soon

Cheers

E

ptimber · Post by **ptimber** » 23 Jul 2003, 22:56

Thank you. Peter

tbottegal · Post by **tbottegal** » 28 Jul 2003, 18:56

Hi,

Like Peter, I can only give advice which is more opinion than fact. I have been working on dual citizenship for myself for over a year now.

My understanding is that earlier (before the '70s) naturalization processes included the requirement of renunciation. More recent naturalizations allow one to retain a previous citizenship.

I should receive my final document within a few weeks. At that point, I plan to put the whole process on hold. Be sure to discuss all the ramifications with someone who is qualified in these matters.

T. Bottegal

evecchione · Post by **evecchione** » 28 Jul 2003, 20:51

Thanks!