NEED HELP TRANSLATING FAMILY COAT OF ARMS!!!!

[justinfrombklyn]

i need someone to please translate this..


http://www.flickr.com/photos/justin11/2584622573/

thanks

[Luke]

Glare on the photo makes it hard first line I can help you with
Urgola - From Forli one of the first and authentic families Forline.

Be happy to help with the rest do you have a larger image ?

[elba]

Glare on the photo makes it hard first line I can help you with
Urgola - From Forli one of the first and authentic families Forline.

Be happy to help with the rest do you have a larger image ?

Have a look >HERE< on this other thread Luke.... the same demand was posted in TWO forums, but my translation is NOT definitive! Maybe you can read it better...

[elba]

Glare on the photo makes it hard first line I can help you with
Urgola - From Forli one of the first and authentic families Forline.

Be happy to help with the rest do you have a larger image ?

Have a look >HERE< on this other thread Luke.... the same demand was posted in TWO forums, but my translation is NOT definitive! Maybe you can read it better...

[Luke]

Elba You got almost all of it the parts with glare or simply faded I can't make out either.

[elba]

Elba You got almost all of it the parts with glare or simply faded I can't make out either.

Yes, and after all that kerfuffle and shouting - and our interest, he's probably not even read it....

I wonder why we bother sometimes

[justinfrombklyn]

no elba i read it i am going to try to get the original document scanned at a place because it is my cousin's and i can't take it so i will get a better full resolution unblury no flash version lol thank you all for helping me.. me and my family really appreciates it

justin

[Lucap]

Non perdere tempo con "quella roba". Genealogicamente parlando vale come un bicchiere di buon whiskey... disciolto in un barile di acqua piovana

Luca

[BillieDeKid]

Non perdere tempo con "quella roba". Genealogicamente parlando vale come un bicchiere di buon whiskey... disciolto in un barile di acqua piovana

Luca

[Luke]

AO Luca Va be che vale poco ma e importante per lui.

Ciao
Luca Sciommeri

[Lucap]

Si, ma quale valore può avere? Chi può documentare la veridicità di quanto affermato in quel "foglio"? E soprattutto: come fa a dimostrare l'appartenenza della sua famiglia a quel condottiero che visse nell'anno di Nostro Signore 889?
Poi, quel che tu dici è vero: ognuno è libero di occupare il proprio tempo come meglio crede

Luca

[elba]

Ok gentlemen,
I think we are all - myself included - loosing track of the original question here. It was a simple request for a translation of, what may seem to some, a somewhat dubious document as far as historical veracity/content goes.

But despite that, he just asked for for a translation. Nothing more, nothing less. That was provided as best as was possible given the poor quality of the original photograph. As far as the quality and value of the content is concerned I really feel that should be left to the original poster to decide.

Perhaps we will soon be afforded an insight as to the importance of this with regard to the posters family.

[nuccia]

I agree..lets get back to the original question. There are several sites that talk about Coats of Arms, many of which are not very reliable. I have a family member who has a Coat of Arms and when I go to look online for it, it just isn't the same..or there are several different versions.

I think we need to see if someone knows of a reliable site or source where we can direct the poster to.

[Lucap]

Hai ragione Elba. Ma la richiesta di traduzione di questo stesso identico documento gira già da mesi...
E poi mi sento anche di dare un consiglio genealogico; dopodiché ognuno è libero di decidere cosa fare delle informazioni da te (gentilmente) tradotte.

Luca

[Natalina30]

Hi,

I will try my best to she if I'm able to read. I will do in 9 lines like that you will be able to see.


1- Da Forli. Una delle prime ed antiche famiglie forline.
2- Si fu?? parte Guelfa ( parte del Papa ) ??? potente
3- e qualche volta ebbe il domminio della Patrie superbo
4- Urgola signore di vari castelli e apecialmente di collina
5- Belfiore Meldola nell' 889 difese eroicamente la Patria
6- Contro i Bolognessi cha la unissacciavano Superbo II. Un
7- Galo capitano del popolo di Firensa 1241 Giovanni Condottie
8- ?dellisorte 1773. Orgoglioso Urgola pretore 1313 ?vio console
9- ??? del senato lotentiche ( the rest is to hard to see )

If you want you could scanned and send it to this e-mail nathalie_masciarelli@yahoo.ca I will look more into to see if I could do better ok.

Natalina30