Pedro/Pedri/Flaim

[JustMe5155]

I am looking for information on grandparents. Immigrated from Revo, Austria (now Revo, Italy) in late 1800s. Grandfather Peter Pedro/Pedri, b. 4 Sept. 1866, d. 13 Apr 1940, father's name Peter Pedro/Pedri and mother's name Mary Cora. Grandmother Mary Flaim, b. 23 Nov 1878, d. 8 May 1957, father's name Francesco Flaim, mother's name Maddelina Nolet. Grandparents married in US and settled in Shamokin, PA. Great Grandparents Flaim settled in New Jersey. Contact me on here or at JustMe5155@aol.com.

[vj]

Welcome to the Forum!
Did you need help with US or Italian records or both?
Thanks! Valarie

Not sure which US records you already have.
Is this the correct family in 1900?

1900 Pedro

Home in 1900:
Coal Township, Johnson City, Excelsior Precincts
Coal, Northumberland, Pennsylvania

Head Peter Pedro 31, born Aug 1868 Tyrol-Austria
- married 5 yrs, abt 1895
- immig 1880 in US 19 yrs Al (alien)
Wife Mary Pedro 21, born Sep 1878 Tyrol-Austria
- 3 children
- immig 1889, in US 10 yrs
Daughter Mary Pedro 4, born Sep 1895 PA
Daughter Celia Pedro 3, born May 1897 PA
Daughter Hannah Pedro 10.12, born Jul 1899 PA
Brother Frank Pedro 25, born Jul 1874 Tyrol-Austria
- immig 1900, in US 0 yrs, Al

[JustMe5155]

That is definitely the same family! Thank you for the reply and info, the difference in the birth date of my grandfather is something we had always wondered about. I would welcome any records or information whether it be Italian or US, that I can get on this family, especially the Pedros. My father was born to this couple in 1926 and we have plenty of information on the children of this marriage, we just don't know much of anything on my grandparents. We do know that on Peter's naturalization papers he is listed as Peter Pedri, not Pedro, we do have the documentation of his immigration. We just don't know much about either of them once they got here and absolutely nothing about them before they married.

[vj]

Thanks for the quick response !

If the location is Italy, Trento, Revò
Your local Family History Center has church records on microfilm that you can order (rent) and view at the Center

film notes

Topic
Italy, Trento, Revò - Church records
Titles
Registri ecclesiastici, 1619-1923 Chiesa cattolica. Parrocchia di Revò (Trento)
Notes:
Baptisms, marriages, deaths. Includes some records of events that took place outside of Italy.
In Italian & Latin
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Finding Italian Roots
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[JustMe5155]

Valarie,
Tis is so ironic because I do indexing for the LDS, so I will have to check into this the next time I am on there. Thank you so much for your help!

[vj]

That's terrific!
How nice of you to volunteer your time .

We do know that on Peter's naturalization papers he is listed as Peter Pedri, not Pedro, we do have the documentation of his immigration.

From this site:
http://italia.indettaglio.it/eng/cognomi/cognomi.html
There are currently several folks living in Revò with the surname PEDRI

Pedro may be an ‘Americanized version’ of his original surname

[JustMe5155]

That is a big issue in our seach, we don't know for sure how the name was spelled before he came to the states. One of his brothers even changed his name to Pedrow once he got to be an adult. I am hoping that once I get some documentation on my grandfather, I can find out more about his parents. I think their information would be the key to the actual spelling of the name. I don't even know if they came over with him or not. I do know that his port of departure was Bremen, Germany and of course the port of entry was Castle Garden. I know my grandmother came here with her parents.

I will check out the link you sent in your last post to see if I can find anything there. Thank you so much, you have actually given me hope that after 35 years of searching, I might find something!

[vj]

Oh my, 35 years!

My family's microfilm was for the civil records.
If the church records are similar, you will hopefully be amazed
by the wealth of information they contain.

If you want to send a letter to Revò requesting your father's birth record
while you wait for mirofilm to arrive, we can help.

Do you have all of your manifests & census records?

Valarie
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edit: added
This may help
Valarie

Writing for Civil Records
Interactive Form Letter Generator:
http://www.circolocalabrese.org/resourc ... civile.asp

For address, use this to fill in the blanks:

Commune of: Revò
CAP Code: 38028
Provincial abbreviation: TN

Other letters:
http://www.circolocalabrese.org/resourc ... /index.asp

[JustMe5155]

I don't know if we could find a birth record for him since we are not absolutely positive about his last name or for that much, there are some discrepancies with his birth date.

I don't mean to sound dumb, but what are the manifests? If those are passenger lists, no we don't. We have information from census records in 1900 (thanks to you!), 1910, and 1920, but no actual pictures of them except for the one you sent. Other than that, we have information on his naturalization records, death certificate, and the date of when he immigrated. On her, all we have is an idea of her date of immigration.

[vj]

I don't know if we could find a birth record for him since we are not absolutely positive about his last name or for that much, there are some discrepancies with his birth date.

I don't mean to sound dumb, but what are the manifests? If those are passenger lists, no we don't. We have information from census records in 1900 (thanks to you!), 1910, and 1920, but no actual pictures of them except for the one you sent. Other than that, we have information on his naturalization records, death certificate, and the date of when he immigrated. On her, all we have is an idea of her date of immigration.

I'm so sorry, yes ship's manifests.
The earlier ones (before the mid-1890's) aren't as detailed as the
later ones, but you never know who may be traveling together.
We'll be happy to link whatever records we can find for you!
As for Peter's birth date, anything that he filled out himself is better
than a census record .

Valarie

[JustMe5155]

That will settle one thing for us then. The 1900 census lists his birth date as 31 Aug 1865, his death certificate lists it as 4 Sept 1866, but his petition for Naturalization that he filled out lists it as 4 Sept 1869. We will go with the dob on the Naturalization Petition.

[vj]

1910 census

Home in 1910:

Excelsior Village
Coal, Northumberland, Pennsylvania

Head Peter Pedro 42
- married 14 yrs
- immig 1885, Na (naturalized)
Wife Mary Pedro 31
- 7 children
- immig 1890
Daughter Mary Pedro 14
Daughter Della Pedro 12
Daughter Hannah Pedro 10
Daughter Viola Pedro 8
Son Peter Pedro 6
Son Paul Pedro 4
Son John F Pedro 2

Neat link if you have any trouble deciphering the information on the census.
These are the official instructions to the enumerators.
http://usa.ipums.org/usa/voliii/tEnumInstr.shtml

Of course the information on the census is only as good as the memory
or knowledge of the person giving the information, and the 'dedication' of
the enumerator to doing a good job .

[JustMe5155]

That is why I want so much to get as many pictures or copies of the original documents. Just from my experience indexing for the LDS, sometimes it can be very difficult to decipher the enumerator's handwriting or the page might be very difficult to read for one reason or another. I also wonder about whether the enumerators ask for actual spellings of names or if they guess.

I certainly appreciate all your help and information, Valarie. I need to get off here or I won't be able to get up for work in the morning. I will be back on here tomorrow.

Patti

[vj]

1920 census

Home in 1920:
1119 Franklin Street, owns without a mortgage
Shamokin Ward 7, Northumberland, Pennsylvania

Head Peter Pedro 55
- immig 1880, Naturalized 1890?
Wife Mary Pedro 40
Daughter Viola Pedro 17
Son Peter Pedro 15
Son Paul Pedro 14
Son Frank Pedro 12
Son Joseph Pedro 7

Note: this census has a few odd stray notations in the naturalization and birth location columns

edit: relinked 1920 census

[vj]

That is why I want so much to get as many pictures or copies of the original documents. Just from my experience indexing for the LDS, sometimes it can be very difficult to decipher the enumerator's handwriting or the page might be very difficult to read for one reason or another. I also wonder about whether the enumerators ask for actual spellings of names or if they guess.

I certainly appreciate all your help and information, Valarie. I need to get off here or I won't be able to get up for work in the morning. I will be back on here tomorrow.

Patti

Hey Patti!
I'm so glad I didn't say anything about the 'transcriber' !
Sometimes language could have been a barrier, especially on the
earlier census records.
Catch you tomorrow.
Valarie