Lombardi and orsini surnames
Re: Lombardi and orsini surnames
Heres a question do you think that we could do like a reverse look up of the parents.
My GGgrandmothers name is Maria Concetta Lombardi
Born 1879 Italy
Died July 9, 1963 United States
Maria Concetta Lombardi married Giovanni (John) Proscino
John Proscino
born June 6, 1876 Italy
Died Dec. 1, 1941 United States
I have listed as her parents below (could be wrong)????
Domenico Lombardi
born abt 1858 Italy
died Delaware, USA
Costanza Orsini
Born: Italy
The 1910 census could be it because It didn't list where Costanza died. That might explained why it listed Domenic as widowed?
My grandfather said something about his mother being sicilian.
If I could find a street address for this Domenic Lombardi in the 1910 census, then I might could confirm earlier.
A lot of my family is from Van buren street in Delaware. I think that I could compare the records I have to where the Lombardi's are located and it might help me to confirm. Sorry I can't be of better assistance.
thanks for your time again, star
Re: Lombardi and orsini surnames
hope this helps
Re: Lombardi and orsini surnames
Hi Star, 
these are the addresses on the censuses:
1900: it seems there is no street name, the town was Mill Creek, New Castle County, DE
1910: Stanton Street, Representative District 8, New Castle County, Delaware
here is 1920 census:
1920 United States Federal Census
about Domick Lombard
Name: Domick Lombard
Home in 1920: Representative District 8, New Castle, Delaware
Age: 63 years
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1857
Birthplace: Italy
Relation to Head of House: Father-in-law
Father's Birth Place: Italy
Mother's Birth Place: Italy
Marital Status: Widow
Race: White
Sex: Male
Year of Immigration: 1890
Image: 921
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Dihule Natale 24 head, born in IT, year of immigr, 1914
Jennie Natale 21 wife, born in DE
Joseph Natale 3 son, born in DE
Lizzie Natale 10/12 daughter, born in DE
Domick Lombard 63 father in law, born in IT, year of immigr. 1890
Tony Lombard 19 brother in law, born in DE
Address: Limestone Road, Representative District 8, New Castle county, DE
I believe the correct last name for the head was Dihule (sure is mispelled, I can't recognize the exact lastname..) so possible Natale was his first name....
and 1930 census:
1930 United States Federal Census
about Dominick Lombardi
Name: Dominick Lombardi
Home in 1930: District 9, New Castle, Delaware
Age: 74
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1856
Birthplace: Italy
Relation to Head of House: Head
Race: White
Occupation:
Education:
Military service:
Rent/home value:
Age at first marriage:
Parents' birthplace: View Image
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Dominick Lombardi 74 head, born in IT, year of immigr. 1890, Alien
Address: Stanton street to?, District 9, New Castle County, DE
here is the image, so you can see he was living near his son Michael...
[img=http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/4787/l ... cen.th.jpg]
Please note that the first female daughter of Michael is Constance and the first male son is Dominick
I believe these are the correct persons...
If you have a Maria Concetta born in 1879 it's possible she was already married in 1900 so she's not listed on the 1900 census with her parents... she was 21 years old...
Do you know when she get married?
The best thing could be to find the arrival manifest... Maria Concetta was born in Italy...
Laura
these are the addresses on the censuses:
1900: it seems there is no street name, the town was Mill Creek, New Castle County, DE
1910: Stanton Street, Representative District 8, New Castle County, Delaware
here is 1920 census:
1920 United States Federal Census
about Domick Lombard
Name: Domick Lombard
Home in 1920: Representative District 8, New Castle, Delaware
Age: 63 years
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1857
Birthplace: Italy
Relation to Head of House: Father-in-law
Father's Birth Place: Italy
Mother's Birth Place: Italy
Marital Status: Widow
Race: White
Sex: Male
Year of Immigration: 1890
Image: 921
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Dihule Natale 24 head, born in IT, year of immigr, 1914
Jennie Natale 21 wife, born in DE
Joseph Natale 3 son, born in DE
Lizzie Natale 10/12 daughter, born in DE
Domick Lombard 63 father in law, born in IT, year of immigr. 1890
Tony Lombard 19 brother in law, born in DE
Address: Limestone Road, Representative District 8, New Castle county, DE
I believe the correct last name for the head was Dihule (sure is mispelled, I can't recognize the exact lastname..) so possible Natale was his first name....
and 1930 census:
1930 United States Federal Census
about Dominick Lombardi
Name: Dominick Lombardi
Home in 1930: District 9, New Castle, Delaware
Age: 74
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1856
Birthplace: Italy
Relation to Head of House: Head
Race: White
Occupation:
Education:
Military service:
Rent/home value:
Age at first marriage:
Parents' birthplace: View Image
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Dominick Lombardi 74 head, born in IT, year of immigr. 1890, Alien
Address: Stanton street to?, District 9, New Castle County, DE
here is the image, so you can see he was living near his son Michael...
[img=http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/4787/l ... cen.th.jpg]
Please note that the first female daughter of Michael is Constance and the first male son is Dominick
I believe these are the correct persons...
If you have a Maria Concetta born in 1879 it's possible she was already married in 1900 so she's not listed on the 1900 census with her parents... she was 21 years old...
Do you know when she get married?
The best thing could be to find the arrival manifest... Maria Concetta was born in Italy...
Laura
Re: Lombardi and orsini surnames
here is 1920 census for the Proscino family:Pink67 wrote:If you have a Maria Concetta born in 1879 it's possible she was already married in 1900 so she's not listed on the 1900 census with her parents... she was 21 years old...
Do you know when she get married?
The best thing could be to find the arrival manifest... Maria Concetta was born in Italy...
1920 United States Federal Census
about John Proacino
Name: John Proacino
[John Prossia]
[John Proscino]
Home in 1920: Wilmington Ward 10, New Castle, Delaware
Age: 44 years
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1876
Birthplace: Italy
Relation to Head of House: Head
Spouse's Name: Marie
Father's Birth Place: Italy
Mother's Birth Place: Italy
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Sex: Male
Home owned: Own
Year of Immigration: 1888
Able to read: Yes
Able to Write: No
Image: 425
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
John Proacino 44
Marie Proacino 36
William Proacino 21
Ralph Proacino 17
Frank Proacino 14
Joseph Proacino 12
Susie Proacino 8
Harry Proacino 6
Lenore Proacino 3 4/12
all child born in DE, Mary and John born in IT... as you can see their first son is 21 so possible they were married before 1900....
Laura
Re: Lombardi and orsini surnames
Laura thank you so much for the help. I agree, that she would not have been listed under her parents names if she was already married. So you think that the dominic Lombardi from the 1910 census is correct? Thank you for your time star
Re: Lombardi and orsini surnames
Mary (maria) would have been 18, at the year of immigration which was 1898. The census I looked at was the dominic Lombardi from 1910
Re: Lombardi and orsini surnames
1910 United States Federal Census
about Donnie Londords
Name: Donnie Londords
[Dominic Lombardi]
Age in 1910: 52
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1858
Birthplace: Italy
Relation to Head of House: Head
Father's Birth Place: Italy
Mother's Birth Place: Italy
Home in 1910: Representative District 8, New Castle, Delaware
Marital Status: Widowed
Race: White
Gender: Male
Year of Immigration: 1898
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Donnie Londords 52 head, born in IT, year of immigr. 1898
Michal Londords 27 son, born in IT
William Londords 21 son, born in IT
James Londords 20 son, born in IT
Mary Londords 18 daughter, born in IT
Samuel Londords 13 son, born in IT
Tony Londords 9 son, born in DE
Nichol Londords 6 son, born in DE
John Londords 10 son, born in DE
Antonia Londords 5 daughter, born in DE
Dominic Londords 1 son in law, born in DE
Annie Londords 22 daughter in law, born in IT
Mary Londords 3 grand-daughter
Nose Londords 2 grand-daughter right spell Rose
Nessie Londords 1 6/12 grand-daughter
Ralph Londords 39 boarder, born in IT
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Yes, I believe this census is correct ... like the other censuses
Laura
about Donnie Londords
Name: Donnie Londords
[Dominic Lombardi]
Age in 1910: 52
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1858
Birthplace: Italy
Relation to Head of House: Head
Father's Birth Place: Italy
Mother's Birth Place: Italy
Home in 1910: Representative District 8, New Castle, Delaware
Marital Status: Widowed
Race: White
Gender: Male
Year of Immigration: 1898
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Donnie Londords 52 head, born in IT, year of immigr. 1898
Michal Londords 27 son, born in IT
William Londords 21 son, born in IT
James Londords 20 son, born in IT
Mary Londords 18 daughter, born in IT
Samuel Londords 13 son, born in IT
Tony Londords 9 son, born in DE
Nichol Londords 6 son, born in DE
John Londords 10 son, born in DE
Antonia Londords 5 daughter, born in DE
Dominic Londords 1 son in law, born in DE
Annie Londords 22 daughter in law, born in IT
Mary Londords 3 grand-daughter
Nose Londords 2 grand-daughter right spell Rose
Nessie Londords 1 6/12 grand-daughter
Ralph Londords 39 boarder, born in IT
http://img22.imageshack.us/my.php?image ... 910cen.jpg
Yes, I believe this census is correct ... like the other censuses
Laura
Re: Lombardi and orsini surnames
Hi star,
here is 1900 census for Concetta and John Prosceno (last name is very mispelled)
1900 United States Federal Census
about John Brucene
Name: John Brucene
[John Burcene]
[John Prucino]
Home in 1900: Mill Creek, New Castle, Delaware
Age: 25
Birth Date: 1875
Birthplace: Italy
Race: White
Ethnicity: American
Gender: Male
Relationship to head-of-house: Head
Father's Birthplace: Italy
Mother's Birthplace: Italy
Spouse's Name: Carrie
Marriage Year: 1898
Marital Status: Married
Years Married: 2
Residence : Mill Creek Hundred (South Half), New Castle, Delaware
Occupation: View on Image
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
John Brucene 25 head, born in IT,
Carrie Brucene 16 wife, born in IT
William Brucene 1 son, born in DE
[img=http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/8623/p ... sus.th.jpg]
As you can see they were living in the same village were Dominick and the rest of the family lived in the 1900 census....
I believe they get marry in that village, do you have their marriage certificate? It could have listed their birth place in Italy.
Mary stated her birth as May 1884....
Are you sure about the birth dates you have for them?
this is the military enlistment for John, for the first World War:
World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918
about John Prosceno
Name: John Prosceno
City: Wilmington
County: New Castle
State: Delaware
Birth Date: 6 Jun 1874
Race: White
Roll: 1570713
DraftBoard: 3
[img=http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/4235/proscenowi.th.jpg]
Laura
here is 1900 census for Concetta and John Prosceno (last name is very mispelled)
1900 United States Federal Census
about John Brucene
Name: John Brucene
[John Burcene]
[John Prucino]
Home in 1900: Mill Creek, New Castle, Delaware
Age: 25
Birth Date: 1875
Birthplace: Italy
Race: White
Ethnicity: American
Gender: Male
Relationship to head-of-house: Head
Father's Birthplace: Italy
Mother's Birthplace: Italy
Spouse's Name: Carrie
Marriage Year: 1898
Marital Status: Married
Years Married: 2
Residence : Mill Creek Hundred (South Half), New Castle, Delaware
Occupation: View on Image
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
John Brucene 25 head, born in IT,
Carrie Brucene 16 wife, born in IT
William Brucene 1 son, born in DE
[img=http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/8623/p ... sus.th.jpg]
As you can see they were living in the same village were Dominick and the rest of the family lived in the 1900 census....
I believe they get marry in that village, do you have their marriage certificate? It could have listed their birth place in Italy.
Mary stated her birth as May 1884....
Are you sure about the birth dates you have for them?
this is the military enlistment for John, for the first World War:
World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918
about John Prosceno
Name: John Prosceno
City: Wilmington
County: New Castle
State: Delaware
Birth Date: 6 Jun 1874
Race: White
Roll: 1570713
DraftBoard: 3
[img=http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/4235/proscenowi.th.jpg]
Laura
Re: Lombardi and orsini surnames
Laura, thank you so much for your help and hard work. I believe the draft registration card is correct for john prosceno. It sure is strange that the parents and grandparents were living in the same village with close to the same names. You may be right, it could be them. I want to check into it some more and possiblyorder the ss5, form.
Re: Lombardi and orsini surnames
Laura,
I read over the population census you listed above for Brucene. I do not believe it is related to my family. I could be wrong but It looked clearly like a B and not a P at the beginning of the name. Maybe ordering the ss5 record would help. what information could be gained from a marriage record?
I read over the population census you listed above for Brucene. I do not believe it is related to my family. I could be wrong but It looked clearly like a B and not a P at the beginning of the name. Maybe ordering the ss5 record would help. what information could be gained from a marriage record?
Re: Lombardi and orsini surnames
Hi star,
I believe it's the correct census... names and lastnames were mispelled not only in the written way but also int he pronunciations...
It matches the first son William too....
Do you know if William was his real name?
I don't know if an american marriage act should list important dates, here in Italy on a marriage act you'll find birth dates, place of birth, places of residence. parents names, occupations, ...
Laura
I believe it's the correct census... names and lastnames were mispelled not only in the written way but also int he pronunciations...
It matches the first son William too....
Do you know if William was his real name?
I don't know if an american marriage act should list important dates, here in Italy on a marriage act you'll find birth dates, place of birth, places of residence. parents names, occupations, ...
Laura
Re: Lombardi and orsini surnames
Star,
look another time the 1920 census list:
1920 United States Federal Census
about John Proacino
Name: John Proacino
[John Prossia]
[John Proscino]
Home in 1920: Wilmington Ward 10, New Castle, Delaware
Age: 44 years
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1876
Birthplace: Italy
Relation to Head of House: Head
Spouse's Name: Marie
Father's Birth Place: Italy
Mother's Birth Place: Italy
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Sex: Male
Home owned: Own
Year of Immigration: 1888
Able to read: Yes
Able to Write: No
Image: 425
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
John Proacino 44
Marie Proacino 36
William Proacino 21
Ralph Proacino 17
Frank Proacino 14
Joseph Proacino 12
Susie Proacino 8
Harry Proacino 6
Lenore Proacino 3 4/12
Son Harry:
World War II Young American Patriots, 1941-1945
about Harry Prosceno
Name: Harry Prosceno
Rank: Captain
Branch: US Army (Corps of Engrs)
Birth Date: 27 Mar 1913
Service Date: 5 Jan 1942
Discharge Date: 22 Dec 1945
Parent 1 Name: Mr. John
Parent 2 Name: Mrs. Concetta Prosceno
Spouse Name: Mrs. Mary Leonetti Prosceno
State: Delaware
County: New Castle
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Laura
look another time the 1920 census list:
1920 United States Federal Census
about John Proacino
Name: John Proacino
[John Prossia]
[John Proscino]
Home in 1920: Wilmington Ward 10, New Castle, Delaware
Age: 44 years
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1876
Birthplace: Italy
Relation to Head of House: Head
Spouse's Name: Marie
Father's Birth Place: Italy
Mother's Birth Place: Italy
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Sex: Male
Home owned: Own
Year of Immigration: 1888
Able to read: Yes
Able to Write: No
Image: 425
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
John Proacino 44
Marie Proacino 36
William Proacino 21
Ralph Proacino 17
Frank Proacino 14
Joseph Proacino 12
Susie Proacino 8
Harry Proacino 6
Lenore Proacino 3 4/12
Son Harry:
World War II Young American Patriots, 1941-1945
about Harry Prosceno
Name: Harry Prosceno
Rank: Captain
Branch: US Army (Corps of Engrs)
Birth Date: 27 Mar 1913
Service Date: 5 Jan 1942
Discharge Date: 22 Dec 1945
Parent 1 Name: Mr. John
Parent 2 Name: Mrs. Concetta Prosceno
Spouse Name: Mrs. Mary Leonetti Prosceno
State: Delaware
County: New Castle
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Laura
Re: Lombardi and orsini surnames
I believe the real first name for William (first son of Concetta and John Proscino was Pellegrino...)
Look at this very interesting arrival manifest:
New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
about Pellegrino Proscino
Name: Pellegrino Proscino
Arrival Date: 9 Nov 1926
Estimated Birth Year: 1898
Age: 29
Gender: Male
Port of Departure: Naples, Italy
Ship Name: Conte Biancamano
Search Ship Database: Search the Conte Biancamano in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Nativity: Delaware
Line: 19
Microfilm Serial: T715
Microfilm Roll: T715_3962
Birth Location: Delaware
Birth Location Other: freenville
Page Number: 221
page 1:
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page 2:
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.... this document need to be revised very well
Laura
Look at this very interesting arrival manifest:
New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
about Pellegrino Proscino
Name: Pellegrino Proscino
Arrival Date: 9 Nov 1926
Estimated Birth Year: 1898
Age: 29
Gender: Male
Port of Departure: Naples, Italy
Ship Name: Conte Biancamano
Search Ship Database: Search the Conte Biancamano in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Nativity: Delaware
Line: 19
Microfilm Serial: T715
Microfilm Roll: T715_3962
Birth Location: Delaware
Birth Location Other: freenville
Page Number: 221
page 1:
[img=http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/9906/l ... val.th.jpg]
page 2:
[img=http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/6606/l ... val.th.jpg]
.... this document need to be revised very well
Laura
Re: Lombardi and orsini surnames
Star, as I noticed that Concetta Lombardi stated, at the moment of her arrival in 1909 after a trip to Italy, that she was going to join her husband Proscino Giovanni in Rotterdam NY I searched for the 1910 census... here is:
1910 United States Federal Census
about John Perrino
Name: John Perrino
[John Proscino]
Age in 1910: 39
[34]
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1871
[abt 1876]
Birthplace: Italy
Relation to Head of House: Head
Father's Birth Place: Italy
Mother's Birth Place: Italy
Spouse's Name: Mary
Home in 1910: Rotterdam, Schenectady, New York
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Gender: Male
Year of Immigration: 1892
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
John Perrino 39
Mary Perrino 26
William Perrino 11
Raphael Perrino 1 I believe age 9, it's impossible to read...
Mary Perrino 8
Frank Perrino 4
Joseph Perrino 3
all child born in Delaware
So, at this point there is something strange in the connection between Concetta and Domenico and Costanza Lombardi from the censuses I posted in the previouses messages...
In the 1909 arrival Concetta declared she was leaving her father Domenico in Alife, in Italy.... so, are you sure that Concetta's fahter died in the U.S.?
Perhaps that Lombardi Family of the censuses it's another family?
Even if there are too many coincidences yet...
Laura
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1910 United States Federal Census
about John Perrino
Name: John Perrino
[John Proscino]
Age in 1910: 39
[34]
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1871
[abt 1876]
Birthplace: Italy
Relation to Head of House: Head
Father's Birth Place: Italy
Mother's Birth Place: Italy
Spouse's Name: Mary
Home in 1910: Rotterdam, Schenectady, New York
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Gender: Male
Year of Immigration: 1892
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
John Perrino 39
Mary Perrino 26
William Perrino 11
Raphael Perrino 1 I believe age 9, it's impossible to read...
Mary Perrino 8
Frank Perrino 4
Joseph Perrino 3
all child born in Delaware
So, at this point there is something strange in the connection between Concetta and Domenico and Costanza Lombardi from the censuses I posted in the previouses messages...
In the 1909 arrival Concetta declared she was leaving her father Domenico in Alife, in Italy.... so, are you sure that Concetta's fahter died in the U.S.?
Perhaps that Lombardi Family of the censuses it's another family?
Even if there are too many coincidences yet...
Laura
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Re: Lombardi and orsini surnames
No so many dates on the marriage license....
From Ancestry.com:
Delaware Marriage Records, 1744-1912
about Giovanni Proscins
Name: Giovanni Proscins
Spouse: Concetta Lombardi
Marriage Date: 15 Nov 1897
At least now you know their marriage date...
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Laura
edit to add image
From Ancestry.com:
Delaware Marriage Records, 1744-1912
about Giovanni Proscins
Name: Giovanni Proscins
Spouse: Concetta Lombardi
Marriage Date: 15 Nov 1897
At least now you know their marriage date...
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Laura
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