Asia Minor DNA

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Re: Asia Minor DNA

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My Italian ancestors are from Abruzzo. I should be ~25% Italian (one grandfather is 100% abruzzese). AncestryDNA reported me at 14% Italian/Greek, 6% Caucasus, 1% Middle East, 1% Asia South. FTDNA doesn't report any southern europe for me but 20% Asia Minor. DNA.land gives me 34% South European, 2% Indo-Iranian, and 2% ambiguous west eurasian.

From reading others results from similar central italian regions combined with some academic papers I've found, it seems that in fact there was some more recent (as in still a long time ago, but more recent than neolithic time period) settlements in the mountain regions of central italy.

Conclusion from one paper: "The samples highlight an overall European genetic pattern both for mtDNA and Y chromosome. Not with-standing this scenario, Y chromosome haplogroup Q, a common paternal lineage in Central/Western Asia but almost Europe-wide absent, was found, suggesting that Central Italy could have hosted a settlement from Anatolia that might be supported by cultural, topographic and genetic evidence."

Ref: Messina, F., Finocchio, A., Rolfo, M. F., De Angelis, F., Rapone, C., Coletta, M., Martínez-Labarga, C., Biondi, G., Berti, A. and Rickards, O. (2015), Traces of forgotten historical events in mountain communities in Central Italy: A genetic insight. Am. J. Hum. Biol., 27: 508–519. doi:10.1002/ajhb.22677

Anyway, point being, I think we can conclude that central Italians share closer genetic past with the Caucasus region than our fellow northern or southern/islander Italians.
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I was correct that it was an error. It disappoints me how easily people just "justify" the presence of massive amounts of Asia Minor DNA in all Italians when it should not have been there.

But FTDNA just updated their MyOrigins, and while it has a bunch of new problems, ALL of my Asia Minor DNA estimate, and that of most Italians I know, has been completely removed. I now have 0% Asia Minor DNA....
TIP: When asking for records from Italy, do NOT ask for an "estratto." ALWAYS ask for a "copia integrale." A photocopy of the original Act will contain more information
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Anizio wrote: 08 Apr 2017, 01:38 I was correct that it was an error. It disappoints me how easily people just "justify" the presence of massive amounts of Asia Minor DNA in all Italians when it should not have been there.

But FTDNA just updated their MyOrigins, and while it has a bunch of new problems, ALL of my Asia Minor DNA estimate, and that of most Italians I know, has been completely removed. I now have 0% Asia Minor DNA....
I totally agree with you.
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iginio wrote: 19 Dec 2016, 09:37 You might be descended from the Etruscans whose DNA shows them to have come from what is today Syria. There are pockets of people all over Italy whose ancestors came from another place and settled down.
Just saying but the only studies about the Etruscans' DNA based on their mtDNA show that Etruscans were close to Neolithic people from Central Europe.

"In the comparison with the samples of the ANC dataset, the Etruscans appear to fall very close to a Neolithic population from Central Europe and to other Tuscan populations; geographically distant Bronze and Iron-age samples, from Iberia and Sardinia, appear genetically differentiated from the Etruscans"

"the genetic links between Tuscany and Anatolia date back to at least 5,000 years ago, strongly suggesting that the Etruscan culture developed locally, and not as an immediate consequence of immigration from the Eastern Mediterranean shores."


https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23405165
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Re: Asia Minor DNA

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Anzio:

A recent paper by Raveane et al (2019) documents the source populations of modern Italians. All Italians are primarily related to the Neolithic Early European Farmers from Anatolia, ranges from 56 to 72%. The link to the paper is below as it is an open access academic journal. Figure 2 provides nice details and The authors have provided excel spreadsheets which allows you to see what regions for example SCItaly1 or NCItaly2, mean. The AN in yellow is the Anatolian Farmer (Early European DNA sample). I assume by your name Anzio you are from the Lazio region so you can see what are the source populations and admixture ratios there. All the Italian samples share AN, Western Hunter Gather (WHG), Eastern European Hunter Gather (EHG) and Caucus Hunter Gather (CHG), which would be another source from West Asia.


https://advances.sciencemag.org/content/5/9/eaaw3492

Hope this helps.
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