Help finding Giovanna Fradella and Raimondo Imbro children and their marriages

[darkerhorse]

The best family tree for you seems to be Fillapazzo.

[lyn1982]

Thanks for looking more. Probably just another false alarm tho. Seems there are a never ending amount of Giuseppe's who changed their name lol.

So far none of the DNA seems to match anything of what he said. I'm a bit baffled as to why. Everytime I've heard about somebody's ancestor giving a fake background it's always been for some really bad reason, like them being a criminal or something. Here's one such fascinating case I read about here: https://www.reddit.com/r/Genealogy/comm ... andfather/

From what I was told tho he was a nice/good man so I doubt anything like this would be the case with my great grandfather, but really wondering why the fake information.

Having trouble finding the marriage record. It seems to skip from record 55 here https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cc=1946817 to record 71 here https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cc=1946817

How do I find Fillapazzo family tree?

[darkerhorse]

It's possible that he didn't know all the information that you say he "lied" about.

Filippazzo Family
https://www.ancestrylibrary.com/family- ... &ml_rpos=4

[darkerhorse]

Do you think his real first name was Giuseppe?

[darkerhorse]

Having trouble finding the marriage record. It seems to skip from record 55 here https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cc=1946817 to record 71 here https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cc=1946817

what year?

[lyn1982]

Thanks. I'll check that tree out in a bit.

I have no idea, I wouldn't think he'd bother changing his first name but who knows with him lol. He did name his youngest son Joseph so maybe. I'd also think fathers name of Domenico would be accurate, cause if not he took the story pretty far considering he named his only son Domenic. But maybe they could be named after a relative on Josephine's side. There is a Domenic Congelosi born 1876 living in Niagara Falls. I don't know if or how he's related to my Congelosi's, he is not from Cerda, but he seems to be related to the Congelosi's that Joseph's son Domenic Abbo's wife's first husband was descended from, I think he's the uncle of the husband. I've not been able to find any connection other then that marriage.

The marriage for Imbro/De Leo should be September 10, 1881 according to Cedrone: "Vincenza Imbrò married on 10 September 1881 in Porto Empedocle with Raffaele d'Aleo. Act n. 56 (of that marriage register). The other date (1882) is when the note was written."

[darkerhorse]

Do you have any DNA matches to the surname Muratore or to the town of Ventimiglia, Imperia?

[lyn1982]

On ancestry just 1 8cm match with that surname and 3 7-8cm matches from that town.

[darkerhorse]

I think this will be my last wild goose chase with the paper trail.

There was a man named Giovanni Battista Abbo born in Ventimiglia in 1888. He immigrated to the US, settling in Chicago, as i recall. Anyway, his passport application says his father is Domenico Abbo. I thought Domenico might also have a son named Giuseppe. I found Giovanni’s birth record online, and his mother is Maria, but her last name is Muratore.

As I was navigating through the 1888 birth records near Giovanni Abbo, I found this odd page. It looks like Giuseppe Abbo……Annullato (Canceled)….signed by the official named Virginio something.

I looked through the indexes of birth records in Ventimiglia from 1888 to 1900 and I found several male births named Abbo but no Giuseppe. I didn’t look at the individual records for parents’ names, etc.

I can send the indexes for birth years of interest, if you want.

[darkerhorse]

On second thought the first letter of the last name looks more like an "O" than an "A" if you compare it to Annullato.

Like I said, should be the last wild goose chase.

[darkerhorse]

In the index, however, the "A" in Abbo is written similarly to the record.

Maybe the A in Annullato is capitalized because it starts a new line.

[lyn1982]

Sure if you can send the indexes. It could be that he's related to Abbo's from that region and that I have a DNA break at him which makes it where they don't match me. But I don't know, cause imo there is family resemble between him, me and my father. Either way thanks for looking into it.

[lyn1982]

I don't understand this. I looked all through the 1881 allegati marriage records (regular marriage records for that year are missing.) I went thro all 300+ pages on ancestry and couldn't find any marriage between Raffelle De'Leo and Vincenza Imbro. I did however find a marriage for a Raffelle De'Leo and an Asunta? Gurreri though. Here is the record: https://www.ancestry.com/imageviewer/co ... lang=en-US also found it on familysearch here: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cc=1946817 Could this be their marriage? Perhaps she married before so surname is different, and the first name could be a middle name? Would love if somebody could take a look and see if date matches for the 10 September 1881 date on Vincenza's birth record.

[lyn1982]

I don't understand why the Imbro/De Leo marriage isn't there. They def married as it's on her birth record. Also found this birth record from 1895 for a son of theirs, Vincenzo. top left record 139 https://www.ancestry.com/imageviewer/co ... bel=Return I wonder if this could be my great grandfather? (Theres no births for this couple in 1896.) But, until I can find and track Raffaele's heritage to see if I have DNA matches to his line to assume this is my great grandfather would be getting ahead of myself. Mayhaps someone can tell me if this birth record mentions Raffaele's age? If Vincenza's marriage has a notation about her marriage on it perhaps his does too.

[lyn1982]

They also had a son Giuseppe in 1893: https://www.ancestry.com/imageviewer/co ... bel=Return

Of course tho I should probably find Raffaele's parentage first.