Lucia DiStefano married Giuseppi(Joseph)Sapienza

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My cousin Joe said...
Pasquale was coming to visit his brother-in-law Vito Sapienza. Vito's wife's name was Rosaria. This is very close to Rosa. Maybe the manifest should have said his sister-in-law Rosa, not his wife Rosa.

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Domenica 1875 married with Motta Salvatore
Vito 1877 married with D'Urso Rosaria
Alfio May 10, 1884 married with Rosaria Fazio
Rosa April 10,1887 married Frank Venasco
Maria 1890 married with Garozzo Michele
Salvatore 1891 married with Deluca Agostina
Francesco April 4, 1893 married with Grace Turno
Eugenio March 6, 1896 married with Angelina Sciarrone
Anna 1899 married with Romeo Barbarino
Angelo-
Grazia- ( I just found out about her. )

And to think I still need 6 more names to have 17 children!

[BillieDeKid]

Hi Rita,

I think what you should do at this point is to order the films from the LDS church. First you need to locate a Family History Center (FHC) near you, here is the link.

http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library ... et_fhc.asp

After you locate a center then use this link (I have already gotten you to BelPasso section, and order the appropriate films to view. Nati (birth), Matrimoni (marriage) and Morti (death). You should be able to find both of Giuseppe's marriage documents, all of his children's births and death records of any children that may have died and his parents, first wife's parents and Lucia's parents that died.

http://www.familysearch.org/eng/Library ... ato+civile++

Write down the film numbers that you think you will need and order them from the FHC near you. It will take about 2 to 4 weeks to get them and the cost is about $3.75 per film.

Let us know if you need any help with this.

Elizabeth

[pink67]

Hi, Tiger.... I sent you a PM, now I'm thinking posting the manifests about Rose Sapienza's various arrivals:

March 27, 1912: Francesco Venasco (1882) and his wife Rosa Sapienza (1887) first arrival.... (note that both of them declared that it's was the first time they were in USA)... leaving the father in law Sapienza Giuseppe in Belpasso. Going to the brother Filippo Venasco... Don't understand the place...

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April 5, 1921: Francesco Venasco returning in new York leaving his wife ROSA SAPIENZA in Italy, last residence Belpasso.... He was in USA from 1912 to 1919 in New Castle. He was going to meet his brother in law Vito Sapienza in 27 Jones Street, New york (it matches with Vito's 1920 Census)

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August 26, 1927: Sapienza Rosa arrival with two daughter Glory and Lucy, last residence Belpasso, leaving his son Antonino Venasco in Italy, going to her husband Francesco Venasco in New Castle (Glory and Lucy were born in USA in 1916 and 1918)

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.... And I found another arrival (October 26, 1912) about Pasquale SERAFICA leaving in Belpasso his wife Rosa Sapienza and going to the brothe Vito Sapienza.... 8O 8O 8O ... This is strange... Maybe there was another Rosa Sapienza?? Or this Rosa could be an namesake?
Laura

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I let my cousin know about Rose Sapienza and this is what he said...

As you suggested I checked out the first page of the manifest for Pasquale Serafica and found the words "wife Sapienza Rosa". I don't quite know what to make of this. It is in the column marked "Name of nearest relative in the country where alien came from". This is interesting since Rosa was not in Italy at this time - she had returned to the US on March 27, 1912. Pasquale's arrival was Oct 26, 1912. Do you think (considering Pasquale's age) that there might have been another Rosa Sapienza from Giuseppe's first marriage?? Doesn't really make sense. It's a real mystery to me.Now knows that it should have been sister in law Rosaria not wife Rosa.

Here's another interesting piece of information. I looked up Francesco Venasco, arriving on March 27, 1912. He is listed as married, going to visit his brother Filippo Venasco (just as was Rosa on the same trip). He lists his closest relative as father-in-law Giuseppe Sapienza in Italy. So at this time Frank Venasco was already married to Rosa!!!!! Therefore, it's impossible that Pasquale could list her as his wife on Oct 26, 1912. There must be a mistake. Pasquale must have been married to another Sapienza sister if he says he was visiting his brother-in-law Vito Sapienza.

As far as Aunt Rose's marriage. It seems to me that she must have gotten married sometime after 1909 when she arrived. We think she married in the US. Apparently she returned to Italy and then came back in 1912. The manifest says she was going to her "brother" Fillipo Venasco. I assume it means her brother-in-law??? So she was already married at this time to Frank. In fact she is listed as married on the immigration certificate. It would be great if we could confirm where and when she married Frank.

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Would there be more information on Angelo like this? I am trying to contact a Family History Center (LDS) to ask about the films. ...Rita

Well, one of Giuseppe's sons in Italy was that Angelo named in the 1929 arrival manifest for Vito and family.

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This is what Laura put together for me so far. Thank you!


GIUSEPPE SAPIENZA (?)
DI STEFANO LUCIA (1852)


SAPIENZA DOMENICA born in 1875 ? Married with Motta Salvatore (born 1870)
Daughter Anna Motta

Sept. 29, 1904 first arrival with husband Salvatore and daughter Anna, they were going to the cousin Grasso Luciano in Mulberry Street.

Oct. 26, 1912 Salvatore Motta in his second arrival declares the wife Domenica is living in Italy

May 4, 1927 Anna Sapienza at her first arrival declares the sister Domenica is living in Italy


SAPIENZA VITO born in 1877/1879 married with D’Urso Rosaria (born 1885)
Sons: Giuseppe Sapienza (1918)
Sebastiano (Ben) Sapienza (1921)

March 30, 1910 First arrival going to the brother Alfio and sisters Maria and Rosa leaving his wife Rosaria D’Urso in Belpasso

Nov., 1929 Vito, Rosaria and sons Giuseppe and Sebastiano returning from a trip to Italy to their house in 34 Thompson Place, Brooklyn

1920 Census: living in 27 Jones Street, Brooklyn
Vito (age 48) immigration in 1910
Rosaria (age 33) immigration in 1910
Joseph (age 1) USA born
Delucca Angelina (age 68) wd immigration in 1906…. (mother in law??)

1930 Census: living in 64 Le Roy Street, Manhattan
Vito (age 50) immigr. In 1909
Rose (age 44) immigr. In 1909
Joseph (age 12) Usa born
Ben (age 9) USA born

SAPIENZA ALFIO born May 10, 1884 married with Rosaria

March 30, 1907 first arrival going to Motta Salvatore living in Monroe Street

Oct. 26, 1912 Alfio and his brother in law Salvatore Motta second arrival they were going to the brother Vito living in Monroe Street. Alfio declares that his father Giuseppe is living in Italy.

WWII draft card born May 10, 1884 (he gives as nearest relative his brother Frank, living in 28, 2nd Street, Brooklyn) and he is living in 323 Sackett Street - Brooklyn

1930 Census: living in 323 Sackett Street, Brooklyn
Alfred (age 45) immigr. Year 1905
Rosarie (age 43) immigr.year 1904
Lucille (age 18) US born
Joseph (age 17) US born
Marie (age 13) US born

SAPIENZA ROSA born in 1887 married with Pasquale Serafica?? Or Frank Venasco

March 1909 she and her mother Rositta Lucia Di Stefano were crossed out from the manifest

June 4, 1909 Rosa’s first arrival with her brother Salvatore and her mother Lucia Di Stefano. They were going to meet the brother/son Alfio living in 26 Maurice street. They left the Father/husband Giuseppe in Belpasso

1910 census Possible census for Alfred, Salvatore and Rose Sapienza, living in 28, Monroe street. Both of them were singles.

Oct. 26, 1912 Pasquale Serafica arrival from Belpasso. He declares to go to the brother in law Vito Sapienza and he’s leaving his wife Rosa Sapienza in Italy. (????????)

SAPIENZA MARIA born in 1890 married with Garozzo Michele (1885)
Son: Filippo (1907)

Oct. 30, 1911 second arrival with her husband GAROZZO Michele and her son Filippo (born in New York on May 28, 1907). They were coming from Mascali in Sicily (last residence) but the birth place of Maria is Belpasso. They were going to meet Maria’s brotherVito Sapienza living in 151 Cherry street.
In this manifest Maria declares she has been in USA from 1903 to 1911. Her Husband Michele declares has been in Usa from 1904 to 1991.
In fact in march 1910 Vito Sapienza at his arrival says to go to meet his sisters Maria and Rosa. But I wasn’t able to find first arrival manifest for Maria...

SAPIENZA SALVATORE born in 1891 married with DELUCA Agostina

June 4, 1909 Salvatore’s first arrival with his sister Maria and mother Lucia Di Stefano. Together going to meet his brother Alfio living in 26 Maurice Street.

May 27, 1920 2nd arrival. He was leaving in Italy his wife DELUCA Agostina, he had been before in USA from 1909 to 1911, was going to meet his brother Francesco in 326 Sackett Street
Note on the manifest the Phrase: “from hospital – June 14, 1920â€

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A lady at the LDS Family History Center helped me order 2 films
1. Civil Registration-Belpasso Catania,Italy Births 1887-1893,Matrimoni 1866-1885 (Beginning number 1798346)
2. Catholic Church Records Belpasso, Catania,Italy bapts 1879-1899. (1798755)
The film can take till Thanksgiving to come in and will call when they do come in. Will it be hard to understand the films? I will let you know my new information. Thank you so much for your help.

[BillieDeKid]

Hi Rita,

The documents will be in Italian but the FHC's have a booklet with italian words pertaining to the documents you'll be looking at. It gives you the italian word and the english translation. It wouldn't hurt to purchase an italian dictionary also.

Save the documents that pertain to your family on a CD (that you have to buy from the FHC) and there is a translation forum on this site where you can upload your document and people will help you. After a few times at the center looking at films you'll be a pro!

Good luck and let us know how it goes or if you have any questions.

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Salvatore 1920 manifest going to brother Francesco line 9. Wife Augistina DeLuca still in Italy.

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I should be hearing from LDS Family History Center soon.

[BillieDeKid]

Let us know how it goes. Good luck!

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Hey Everyone...I am having trouble at the Family History Center. They can't seem to burn any CD for me to be able to upload it to this site. Why do they have CD's then? Any suggestions on how to get this information to this site? When I go in on Tuesday I hope to find more information. I will try to go everyday to find information to print out. I really need help for translating and helping me find them. The LDS Family History Center will be closed from the 17th till 1st. Open on Jan 2nd. Then I'll have till Jan 28th with this 1st film that came in. The woman yesterday said it is in Latin not Italian. These are records from the Church ~ marriage/baptisms. Your help is greatly appreciated.

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I found a Rose Sapienza on the film and as soon as I can transfer it onto this site I would appreciate any help to translate the latin to English. I think I found maybe 2 more of my family members too. Thank you all for all the help you have given me.

[PeterTimber]

There is a compa nion book for the microfilm at the FHL titled Discovering Your italian ancestors by Lynn Nelson which may assist you with your researches. =Peter=

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I found a Rose Sapienza and Salvatore. My sister scanned it for me but I don't know how to get it onto this site to be translated. I sent an email to Edmondo with the scans. I wish All a Merry Christmas and Happy New Year. ~Rita