Help finding Giovanna Fradella and Raimondo Imbro children and their marriages

[darkerhorse]

For what it's worth that Fillipazzo Family Tree has Pedalinos in it from Agrigento Province.

[lyn1982]

Thanks for looking and finding that record.

My DNA matches point to my great grandfather being a grandchild (or great grandchild?) of Vincenza Imbro's parents Giovanna Fradella and Raimondo Imbro. I thought it would likely be Vincenza as I ruled out some of her siblings and seem to have DNA matches to Deleos.

I posted about DNA matches here. There seems to be matches to both of Vincenza Imbros parents lines. https://www.italiangenealogy.com/forum/ ... 79#p305779 so that I'm pretty sure of.

Reason I think it's Vincenza is because I have some DNA matches to a Russo/Deleo couple born in the late 1700s. Some matches descended from diff children of theirs, but the Russo is the male so they wouldn't be direct decendants.. They are from Agrigento but not PE, they are from Ribera. I don't know if or how they relate to Raffaele Deleo. Deleo is a common name there so it may be that I connect to them another way.

There's still more children of Giovanna and Raimondo I need to research, it could be that I decend from one of them. And I don't know if I've found all their children yet either.

Re: the tree. I think that tree has 10s of thousands of people so not sure it proves relation well. They seem to add any and everyone in PE.

[lyn1982]

Went thro 1869 and 1870 births to try to find more children of Raimondo and Giovanna. But the records for these years are just a format where they are all written out so I'm not sure where parents names are, etc. Was wondering if anyone could please take a look at these and tell me which ones are children of Raimondo Imbro and Giovanna Fradella and if they are a child of those their birthdate.

1869: 56 Giovanna https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cc=1946817

221? or 222? Salvatore : https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cc=1946817

78 or 18? Leonardo Confused by this one. I can't find this birth and the only index I see it in is the 10 year one. https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cc=1946817 Maybe it was marked under wrong year?

1870: 178 Maria: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cc=1946817

217? Giuseppa : https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cc=1946817

Also found another child of theirs. Maria born in 1883: https://www.ancestry.com/imageviewer/co ... &pId=86424 If possible could some get the birth date for this record?

[darkerhorse]

Went thro 1869 and 1870 births to try to find more children of Raimondo and Giovanna. But the records for these years are just a format where they are all written out so I'm not sure where parents names are, etc. Was wondering if anyone could please take a look at these and tell me which ones are children of Raimondo Imbro and Giovanna Fradella and if they are a child of those their birthdate.

1869: 56 Giovanna https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cc=1946817
NO

221? or 222? Salvatore : https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cc=1946817
NO

78 or 18? Leonardo Confused by this one. I can't find this birth and the only index I see it in is the 10 year one. https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cc=1946817 Maybe it was marked under wrong year?
NO

1870: 178 Maria: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cc=1946817
BINGO

217? Giuseppa : https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cc=1946817
NO

Also found another child of theirs. Maria born in 1883: https://www.ancestry.com/imageviewer/co ... &pId=86424

If possible could some get the birth date for this record?


CAN'T OPEN THIS LINK. THE FIRST MARIA BORN IN 1870 MUST HAVE DIED.

[lyn1982]

Thank you again Darkerhorse! Much appreicated.

Sorry on the 1883 birth record. I'll try to find it on familysearch in a while. Tho it's unlikely to be my great grandfathers mother I'd think, unless she had him very young.

Was Raffaele Deleo alive during his son Giuseppe's 1924 marriage that you found? https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cc=1946817

I know you mention him being dead by the time of daughter Giovanna's marriage in 1930. Just trying to get an idea of when to look for his death record.

Speaking of death records I tried to find the birth record in 1900 for the Asunta Deleo age 2 who died in 1902 with father Domenico. But there isn't one in PE. I checked a few other towns like realmonte and Agrigento but couldn't find there either.

[darkerhorse]

Assunta's death record is attached. I think her birth record has her father as Maurizio instead of Domenico so there's a puzzle. The mother is the same Maria. I don't have it handy but I think it was in 1898. Are Domenico and Maurizio the same person? Did she have two husbands?


When Giuseppe was married both of his parents were living.

[darkerhorse]

Here's Assunta's birth record with he father as Maurizio.

[darkerhorse]

Assunta's birth record.

[lyn1982]

Thanks. That's very odd. I guess one name must be a middle name? They both are Deleos.

I was dumb and looking in wrong year for her birth, that was why I couldn't find it. I misread died in 1900 as died in 1902 for some reason.

found a Giuseppa Deleo born 1896 that I think has the same parents as the Asunta Deleo who dies. Father is Maurizo? tho https://www.ancestry.com/imageviewer/co ... bel=Return Does this record or the Asunta birth mention their ages? If Maurizo/Domenico is born before 1880 then he probably can't be son of the couple I dna match to.
I looked in 10 year index but couldn't find ther marriage, maybe marriage happened in early 1896. That year is missing. ;(

I also found Raffaele Deleo's death record:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cc=1946817 and with it his parents names.

Also, I finally thought to check antenati and they apparently let you see earlier records there. Damn familysearch, I almost went to one of their centers to go view.

Below is Raffaele's birth record: Are the surnames Russo or Cicero mentioned at all in it? I am asking because my Deleo cluster of matches actually have the surname De Leo Cicero and the surname Russo is name of man who married that Deleo Cicero dna match ancestor.
http://dl.antenati.san.beniculturali.it ... ewsIndex=0

I also found from transcribed record on ancestry they also had a son Leonardo (that's a bit redundent isn't it?) born 1839. Plus another son Leonardo born 1836 who died in 1839. So I guess their marriage would be 1835 or earlier.

Unfortunately, the earliest both antenati and familysearch have for marriages is 1835 and the marriage isn't there. So I need to find their death certs too.

Are either of these Raffaele's father Cologero Deleo death?

Bottom right: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cc=1946817

bottom right again: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cc=1946817

[darkerhorse]

MAURIZIO IS RECORDED AS AGE 25 IN 1898. NO AGE GIVEN FOR MARIA.

RAFFAELE DELEO’S 1924 DEATH RECORD HAS HIM AT AGE 74 AND HIS WIFE AS VINCENZA IMBRO WHICH AGREES WITH HIS BIRTH IN 1850 AND MARRIAGE. HIS MOTHER COULD BE SUMIA OR LUMIA. I’VE SEEN THE NAME LUMIA BEFORE BUT I DON’T REMEMBER WHERE.

IF YOU FO TO A FAMILY HISTORY CENTER I THINK ACCESS TO MILITARY RECORDS WOULD BE USEFUL IN JUDGING CANDIDATES IN OR OUT. FOR EXAMPLE, THERE’S LIKELY A MILIATRY RECORD FOR THAT GIUSEPPE EBBOLE WHETHER HE RETURNED TO ITALY OR REMAINED IN THE US.

I BELIEVE RUSSO IS THE MOST COMMON SURNAME IN ITALY.

IN RAFFAEL’S BIRTH RECORD I ONLY SEE THE NAMES OF HIS FATHER COLOGERO AND MOTHER MARIA LUMIA OR SUMIA.

I’M WORKING ON THE DEATH RECORDS FOR COLOGERO.

[darkerhorse]

DIED IN A872 AT AGE 1 YEAR, 5 MONTHS, SON OF IGNAZIO DELEO AND FILOMENA ALLETTI.


DIED IN 1870 AT AGE 30, SON OF GERLANDO AND VINCENZA LUMIA (SUMIA). YOU SHOULD ASK SOMEONE TO TRANSLATE THE PASSAGE IN THE MARGIN.

[darkerhorse]

died in 1872, not A872.

[lyn1982]

Thank you very much!

Thats so odd that there is another Calogero Deleo with father Gerlando and mother with surname Lumia. I'll see about getting that part of the record translated in a translation group.

[darkerhorse]

Prego.

[lyn1982]

I think I've found most of the marriages for the children of Raimondo Imbro and Giovanna Fradella. At least the marriages of their children who would have married before 1896. I'll copy my notes of Imbro marriages in my next post.

I haven't found any marriage for the Alfredo Imbro I've seen people list on their trees. Also missing Maria Imbros marriage, but shes an unlikely candidate being she was born in 1883. Empedocle Imbro I've only seen on peoples trees and assume was unnamed baby who died.

My conclusion is the parents most likely are Raffaele and Vincenza.

However, Virginia Imbro didn't marry until 1908 in spite of fact she was born about 1880. I'm wondering if there is a first marriage of hers that I am missing. If so it must be in one of the missing years. To not marry until nearly 30 is very unusual for a female in this family.

I put X grapic https://www.ancestry.com/family-tree/pe ... 4597/facts here under the ones I think I can rule out. If Virginia doesn't have a previous marriage I would think my great grandfathers parents must have been Vincenza Imbro and Rafaelle Deleo.

There is an Alfredo acording to peoples family trees, but I can't find his marriage, so if there is one I think he married too late to be my great grandfathers father (or he died before siring children).
Low possibility that Maria at age 12-15 married and gave birth to him (unlikely but no so much with this family, I found no marriage for her in 1890s tho)

Only other possibility is I haven't found all the children of Raimondo and Giovanna or that he may have been born out of wedlock or abandoned. I'm almost wondering if I should go thro all the births manually and look for any with an Imbro father or Imbro mother. So many marriage years in the 1880s and a few in 1890s are missing that their could be an Imbro who married in one of the missing years who could be Giuseppe's mother or father.

Regarding Alfredo Imbro oddly enough in 1915 census Eugene Imbros wife is listed as Alfredo. Her name was actually Maria Crristina
https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse ... sePUB=true

Another possibility is I'm wrong about Raimondo Imbro and Giovanna Fradella being my ggf's grandparents. But, there is so much dna evidence that I don't think this is possible, unless Giovanna had a sister who married Raimondo's brother. Which this record here makes me think could be possible: https://www.ancestry.com/imageviewer/co ... bel=Return Record is of a Carmela Imbro marrying and her father is Alfonos and mother Caterina Fradella.

If I do decide to go thro the births manually is there anything I should look for to tell if a birth is of an abandoned or out of wedlock baby? If abandoned would the spaces for parents names just be blank, or would they be filled in with names of godparents chosen by a local parish? Any specfic word it would say for a birth with father unnamed?