16 December 1857 Basilicata Earthquake (AKA the Great Neapolitan Earthquake) Fatalities – Saponara di Grumento, Potenza

[mmogno]

@AngelaGrace56
Altra documentazione su Saponara di Grumento in questo sito:
http://www.grumentum-basilicata.it/

Non riesco a scaricare il file EMIGRATI GRUMENTINI (http://www.grumentum-basilicata.it/elen ... RUMENTINI/).
L'ho chiesto direttamente qui:
http://www.grumentum-basilicata.it/contattaci.html

[mmogno]

Emigrazione Servizi agli emigrati

http://www.grumentum-basilicata.it/emig ... grati.html

[AngelaGrace56]

@AngelaGrace56
Altra documentazione su Saponara di Grumento in questo sito:
http://www.grumentum-basilicata.it/

@mmogno


Thank you for this link. It’s good, and I’ve managed to download a document from the site that a friend has been wanting. I'm going to find it useful as well.

Angela

[AngelaGrace56]

@AngelaGrace56

Non riesco a scaricare il file EMIGRATI GRUMENTINI (http://www.grumentum-basilicata.it/elen ... RUMENTINI/).
L'ho chiesto direttamente qui:
http://www.grumentum-basilicata.it/contattaci.html

Ciao G

Thank you for doing this. I have seen lists of emigrants from Grumento Nova in the past but they are definitely not complete, so it will be interesting to see what this pdf contains. I wrote to the town in 2013 asking for an emigration date etc for my great uncle who went to Argentina, and they wrote back “… per quanto riguarda la data di emigrazione ed il mezzo non siamo in possesso di tal dati.” Hopefully the book “Emigrati Grumentini” will help help solve that mystery as well.

I’ve begun taking a closer look at the first pdf you posted yesterday, “Grumentum Saponaria …. Storia di una comunita’ dell’Alta Val D’ Agri” It is excellent. (All those beautiful Grumentini names I love to read!!!) Besides a lot of other interesting information and pics, it also has more information concerning the story about my great grandfather’s awful experience with the briganti, so the story obviously made the headlines in Saponara di Grumento when it happened. (I notice that my cousin left out one very important detail..., which I’d sort of suspected anyway.)

Well this past week or so has been so interesting, I'm almost giddy with excitement at what I might discover next...

Thanks so much for all your help.

Angela

[mjclayton1]

Joe's link works for me (MacBook Air - Safari). That said, my goodness, the work/research done here never ceases to amaze me...

Ciao, Angela-

You may recall my significant other has a connection to Saponara di Grumento (her maternal grandfather - Giorgio Giuseppe Rago). You've helped me here or there along the way in the past with my research (thanks again). I'm not aware of any of her family being affected by this earthquake you refer to, but that's out of my almost complete ignorance on the subject, nothing more.

So... I suppose that's my way of saying I'd be interested in any of your/the Board's findings. I haven't researched Carol's lines in several years. I more or less had "reached my limit" and then had moved on to other endeavors. I do think it's more than a bit ironic that, in finding out that I had an Italian grandfather in 2019, that he had family from Saponara (but in Messina, Sicily). Crazy coincidence, if in (town) name only...

I have a busy weekend ahead, but will try to track the progress, i.e., as best I can and as time permits (I can handle the basics of most vital records, but otherwise don't read much Italian). Truth be told, most of this is overwhelming to me.

Good luck in your research/quest.

Mark

Hi Mark

Thanks for your post here and for your kind thoughts and wishes. Yes, I clearly remember that you research Saponara di Grumento. You may be interested to look at the links that mmogno has just posted here. They are a goldmine of information. I’m still working through them and finding them really informative and have even found verification of an incident that happened to one of my great grandfathers. (I still can't believe it is there. So random!!! I've been looking for verification of the event off and on since 2010.)

You may be interested - on one of the links (Grumento Sconosciuta - the second link) , on page 151 it has a list of the first 28 emigrants from Saponara after 1861. I notice that there is a Raffaele Rago, born 13 May 1834, listed there. He may or may not be in your wife’s family history. There are other names on the list that you may recognise. I hope you have time to take a look through the three pdfs.

Best to you, and keep checking in.

Angela

Hi, Angela-

It's past midnight here in the States (Northern California) and I just wanted to acknowledge your message. I'm happy you seem so excited about all of your latest discoveries - with some fine research assistance from your friends/peers here!

The two .pdf links start to load, but then stop. I don't know how to get around that. Not to side-track you here, as you're obviously deeply involved in an exhilarating "chase" these days, I will say that it's interesting that you speak as to a Rafaello Rago born 13 May 1834. According to the tree that I've worked on for her, Carol's great granduncle was named Rafaello Rago and - get this - I have him as born 18 May 1834! I don't have his Birth Record handy but will try and double-check that. Seems like there's good chance that this is the same person you're referring to.

She also has surnames Favale, Tornese, di Parsi, Spadafora and Tocano. I sure wish I had kept up on learning more Italian!

Cheers,
Mark

[AngelaGrace56]

Hi, Angela-

It's past midnight here in the States (Northern California) and I just wanted to acknowledge your message. I'm happy you seem so excited about all of your latest discoveries - with some fine research assistance from your friends/peers here!

The two .pdf links start to load, but then stop. I don't know how to get around that. Not to side-track you here, as you're obviously deeply involved in an exhilarating "chase" these days, I will say that it's interesting that you speak as to a Rafaello Rago born 13 May 1834. According to the tree that I've worked on for her, Carol's great granduncle was named Rafaello Rago and - get this - I have him as born 18 May 1834! I don't have his Birth Record handy but will try and double-check that. Seems like there's good chance that this is the same person you're referring to.

She also has surnames Favale, Tornese, di Parsi, Spadafora and Tocano. I sure wish I had kept up on learning more Italian!

Cheers,
Mark

Sorry you are having trouble with the two links. They work for me, and I've managed to download them as well. Maybe, just keep trying. They are both quite large pdfs so may take a while. (Did you check your downloads file?)

Here's Raffaele Rago's 1834 birth record: http://dl.antenati.san.beniculturali.it ... ewsIndex=0

I've taken a copy of Page 151 which lists the first 28 emigrants from Grumento Nova, which I previously referred to. I've posted it here. If you ever need any help with Carol's family history from Grumento Nova just begin a new thread and I'm always happy to help, as are lots of others here. (At the moment I'm on a quest to solve at least four issues. I began with one, which became two more, and now I have four. It just keeps multiplying!!!)

Take care.
Angela

[AngelaGrace56]

Ciao Angela.
Ho trovato qualche altra informazione per te:
https://pdfhost.io/v/AlEG1IYkA_Grumento ... zo_Falasca
https://pdfhost.io/v/Xfakxn~gQ_Grumento ... zo_Falasca
https://pdfhost.io/v/inMlUW.TO_Il_Caste ... zo_Falasca

Mi sembra una documentazione importante.

Nel primo libro, a pag. 158, inizia l'"Elenco delle scritture esistenti nell’archivio parrocchiale". Puoi vedere (pag. 159) che, fra i Libri dei morti (Libri mortuorum), si parla 6) Liber mortuorum (1856-1897). Non si dice che esista un libro particolare per le vittime del terremoto. Forse è un'appendice al Libro per gli anni 1857 o 1858. Comunque sembra che l'Archivio della Collegiata sia conservato presso la Parrocchia di S. Antonino.

Nel secondo libro, a pag. 148, ci sono delle foto che riguardano elenchi dei morti per il terremoto. Il secondo documento dovrebbe essere conservato presso il Comune.

Ciao G

I'm just wanting to confirm what you have noted here.

I searched the 1858 Processetti and found that all of the death record extractions relating to 16 December 1857 earthquake were from Church records. I am currently searching the 1859 Processetti and am finding, and can confirm, that the death record extractions relating to the same earthquake are from the Comune archives. (I notice in some of the extractions it refers to the death resulting from the “terrible catastrophe” of the 16 Dec 1857 earthquake, and after reading some of the horrific reports in the articles posted here, I certainly understand why.)

Random Sample:

No 837: http://dl.antenati.san.beniculturali.it ... ewsIndex=0

No 240: http://dl.antenati.san.beniculturali.it ... ewsIndex=0



Angela

[AngelaGrace56]

A related thread but pertaining to Montemurro: https://www.italiangenealogy.com/forum/ ... 92#p333292

Angela