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Benedetta was a "spuria" (spurious). This means that she was an illegitimate daughter, but in the record it's not written the parent's name. It says:

last line of page 1
... et Benedictam spuriam nutritam a
first line of page 2:
jug(alibus) Josepho Leone et Rosalia Amato...

...e Benedetta, spuria, allevata (=raised) dai coniugi Giuseppe Leone e Rosalia Amato...
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Approximately:

L'anno del Signore 1839, il giorno 24 di novembre
Io sacerdote beneficiario(!) Don Raimondo Grisaffi, cappellano sacramentale, battezzai una bambina
i cui genitori si ignorano, rinvenuta alla ruota questa notte all'ora ottava, e a lei (fu)
imposto il nome Benedetta. Padrino fu mastro Rosario Dino del fu mastro Nicola


The year of our Lord 1839, november 24th
I priest D. Raimondo Grisaffi, sacramental chaplain, baptized a baby (girl) born to unknown parents,
found this night at the eighth hour (after the sunset) in the wheel (I don't know if this is the right translation), and she was given the name Benedetta.
Godfather master Rosario Dino, son of the late Nicola.
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Lucap,

please help me these translations. I can't seem to grasp the way the record is entered:
http://i854.photobucket.com/albums/ab10 ... iBirth.png
Are the parents and grandparents listed? So many names...
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Also, what is Benedicta Spuria's involvement in this record:
http://i854.photobucket.com/albums/ab10 ... Prizzi.png

Thank you!
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http://i854.photobucket.com/albums/ab10 ... iBirth.png

Die eodem
Ego Sac(erd)os D. Joseph ... Lo Bue
Cap(pellan)us Sag(ramenta)lis baptizavi infantem
heri natum hora 2 ex Josepho
Gristina quond(a)m Luciani et Rosalia
Salerno quond(a)m Andreae jug(ali)bus h(ui)us
P(arrocchi)ae cui impositum nomen Salvator.
M(atrina) Rosa Zallone(?) quon(da)m Josephi vidua
Josephi Salerno.

Lo stesso giorno
Io sacerdote Don Giuseppe ... Lo Bue
cappellano sacramentale battezzai un bambino
nato ieri all'ora seconda [dopo il tramonto] dai coniugi Giuseppe
Gristina del fu Luciano e Rosalia
Salerno del fu Andrea di questa
Parrocchia, a cui (fu) imposto il nome Salvatore.
Madrina Rosa Zallone del fu Giuseppe vedova
di Giuseppe Salerno.

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Die sexta ejusdem
Ego Sace(r)d(o)s D. Augustinus Milone ... Parochialis baptizavi
inf(ant)em heri hora 21 natam ex Salvatore Governa-
le(?) quondam Hieronymi, et Benedicta Spuria jug(alibu)s h(uius) P(arochiae), cui(?)
nomen Josepha. M(atrin)a Francisca Sinatra uxor Salva-
toris Giordano Rosarii

Il giorno 6 dello stesso [mese]
Io sacerdote Don Agostino Milone ... parrocchiale battezzai
una bambina nata ieri all'ora ventunesima dai coniugi Salvatore Governale(?)
del fu Girolamo e Benedetta Spuria di questa parrocchia, a cui (fu imposto)
nome Giuseppa. Madrina Francesca Sinatra moglie di Salvatore Giordano di Rosario.

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Lucap,
thanks u! I do not understand Italian, can u provide English translations to both record. i shold have mentioned that, Im sorry!

"dai coniugi Giuseppe Gristina del fu Luciano e Rosalia Salerno del fu Andrea di questa Parrocchia, a cui (fu) imposto il nome Salvatore. Madrina Rosa Zallone del fu Giuseppe vedova di Giuseppe Salerno."

dai coniugi Salvatore Governale(?)
del fu Girolamo e Benedetta Spuria di questa parrocchia, a cui (fu imposto)
nome Giuseppa. Madrina Francesca Sinatra moglie di Salvatore Giordano di Rosario."
Grazie, Hele
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[quote=Lucap]Die eodem
Ego Sac(erd)os D. Joseph ... Lo Bue
Cap(pellan)us Sag(ramenta)lis baptizavi infantem
heri natum hora 2 ex Josepho
Gristina quond(a)m Luciani et Rosalia
Salerno quond(a)m Andreae jug(ali)bus h(ui)us
P(arrocchi)ae cui impositum nomen Salvator.
M(atrina) Rosa Zallone(?) quon(da)m Josephi vidua
Josephi Salerno.

Lo stesso giorno
Io sacerdote Don Giuseppe ... Lo Bue
cappellano sacramentale battezzai un bambino
nato ieri all'ora seconda [dopo il tramonto] dai coniugi Giuseppe
Gristina del fu Luciano e Rosalia
Salerno del fu Andrea di questa
Parrocchia, a cui (fu) imposto il nome Salvatore.
Madrina Rosa Zallone del fu Giuseppe vedova
di Giuseppe Salerno.[/Quote]

The same day
I, priest Don Giuseppe... Lo bue
sacramental chaplain, baptized a baby boy
born yesterday at the 2nd hour [after sunset] to the married couple Giuseppe
Gristina son of the deceased Luciano and Rosalia
Salerno daughter of the decease Andrea of this
Parish, to whom was given the name of Salvatore.
Godmother Rosa Zallone daughter of the deceased Giuseppe widow
of Giuseppe Salerno.




http://i854.photobucket.com/albums/ab10 ... Prizzi.png

[quote=Lucap]Die sexta ejusdem
Ego Sace(r)d(o)s D. Augustinus Milone ... Parochialis baptizavi
inf(ant)em heri hora 21 natam ex Salvatore Governa-
le(?) quondam Hieronymi, et Benedicta Spuria jug(alibu)s h(uius) P(arochiae), cui(?)
nomen Josepha. M(atrin)a Francisca Sinatra uxor Salva-
toris Giordano Rosarii

Il giorno 6 dello stesso [mese]
Io sacerdote Don Agostino Milone ... parrocchiale battezzai
una bambina nata ieri all'ora ventunesima dai coniugi Salvatore Governale(?)
del fu Girolamo e Benedetta Spuria di questa parrocchia, a cui (fu imposto)
nome Giuseppa. Madrina Francesca Sinatra moglie di Salvatore Giordano di Rosario.[/quote]

The day 6 of the same [month]
I, priest Don Agostino Milone ... parrocchial, babaptized
a baby girl born Yesterday at hours 21 [9:00pm] to the married couple Salvatore Governale(?)
son of the deceased Girolamo e Benedetta Spuria of this parish, to whom was given the name Giuseppa. Godmother Francesca Sinatra wife of Salvatore Giordano son of Rosario.
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Lucap,
Hmmm.... Researching "Benedetta Spuria/Leone" has been a task!
I wonder if the B. Spuria is the same B. Suri who was married to Gis. Scianni? The quset continues, and could not have been possible without you!
Thanks, so much, Lucap!!
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Hi Lucap,

I found another record, and hope u can let me know if Benedetta was dead at the time of her husband's death. Can u translate the record in Englishm please? many thanks!
http://i854.photobucket.com/albums/ab10 ... 87-343.jpg


Joseph Scianni deceased
Son of Antonio Sciani and Lucia Gristina
Spouse Benedicta who was known as Leone.
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November 12th 1895
Giuseppe Scianni, son of the deceased Antonino and Lucia Gristina, husband of the living Benedetta called (as a surname) Leone, daughter of unknown parents, of his age of about 60, died and his body was buried in the local cemetery.
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Grazie, Lucap!
Again, I was a a loss when reading the doc. I understood the basics, but without your help, I would have thought that Benedetta was deceased prior to her husband Thanks you so much!
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Lucap,

Just found this record and I believe it is for Benedicta, and may further explain her history. Can u please translate to English. It may show that her parents were unknown, but yet does not show that Leone raised her. I suspect it says a lot more...

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April 30th 1904.
Benedetta, daughter of unknown parents, wife of the late Giuseppe Scianni, of her age of about 66, died for heart failure after having only received the extreme unction and she was buried in the cemetery of this place.

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Grazie! Therefore, it is again documented that the parents of Benedetta will be forever unknown. All of her records (her birth, marriage, the birth of her children, and finally her death, show that sad scar. Sad.....
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Purtroppo si :?
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