Altieri/Pacella

[Cgriffin100]

Hello, we are desperate for help. My sisters and I are traveling to Italy next month. We found and connected with our Sicilian relatives but would like to locate the town of our father’s side and I have been struggling for months. According to the 1900 census Pietro Altieri came in 1883 and was born in 1856/1857 in Italy. His spouse, Antoinette came here in 1893 and was born in 1865 in Italy. She came with two children Carmine born in 1880/1881 and Mary born in 1884. The 1900 census says they were married for 20 years. Antoinette surname is Pacella or Bacella( we saw it on a later document I ordered). I believe it is Pacella. I can’t find him for certain on a manifest. I can’t locat Antoinette and the kids anywhere on a manifest. The dates don’t jive. Can anyone help us find the town they may be from or help guide me in the right direction? Thank you so much for any help at all!

[Tessa78]

Earlier manifests are difficult to find, and when you do find them, they contain very little information.

Maybe we can trace back from the children.

Is this the family in the 1900 US Census?

Name: Carmine Alteri
Age: 19
Birth Date: Dec 1881
Birthplace: Italy
Home in 1900: Manhattan, New York, New York
Street: Pleasent Ave
House Number: 353
Sheet Number: 8
Number of Dwelling in Order of Visitation: 49
Family Number: 160
Race: White
Gender: Male
Immigration Year: 1893
Relation to Head of House: Son
Marital Status: Married
Spouse's Name: Nellie Alteri
Marriage Year: 1900
Years Married: 0
Father's name: Pietro Alteri
Father's Birthplace: Italy
Mother's name: Antoinette Alteri
Mother's Birthplace: Italy
Years in US: 7
Naturalization: Na
Occupation: Book Keeper
Months not employed: 0
Can Read: Yes
Can Write: Yes
Can Speak English: Yes
Neighbors:
Household Members:
Name Age
Pietro Alteri 43
Antoinette Alteri 36
Carmine Alteri 19
Nellie Alteri 20
Mary Alteri 16
Nicholas Alteri 4
Lorenza Alteri 3
Amanda Alteri 2
Adeline Alteri 1/12

T.

[Cgriffin100]

YES this is them

[Cgriffin100]

I searched and searched the Ellis Island website and couldn’t find Carmine or his sister Mary who came from Italy with their mother Antoinette.

[Tessa78]

Yes, I have also been searching.
It is possible that they did not arrive through the New York port.

In the census he states that he is naturalized. If we can find his papers, they should identify the ship, date, and his place of birth.

T.

[Cgriffin100]

Can you tell me how to look for that? I joined Ancestry a few months ago.

[Tessa78]

On ancestry, enter his name, year of birth and state he lived in.
You can choose "immigration" in collection.

Not all are there. You might need to call or write to the county clerk where he lived.

T.

[Cgriffin100]

Yippee I found Antoinette, Carmine(my great grandfather) and his sister!! June 5, 1893 on the Charles Martel ship leaving Naples. It says they came from Muro Lucano. There is a small notation after the sisters name I don’t understand but will post on the other forum because I can’t see how to attach a picture here. I have an appointment on May 2 at a history center to get some help looking for Pietro.

[Tessa78]

Here is the marriage of Pietro Altieri and Antonia Pacella in 1879 in Muro Lucano, Potenza.
#1 in Parte II
Both were born in Muro Lucano
Pietro was age 23, Son of Carmine and of Mariantonia Indelli
Antonia was age 18, daughter of Luigi and of Maria Teresa Cerone
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cc=1483052

T.

[mmogno]

I can’t see how to attach a picture here

#850...
https://assets.libertyellisfoundation.o ... 100668.jpg

#47 Birth of Carmine
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cc=1483052

#330 Birth of Mariantonia
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... at=2000294

"Processetti": banns, records of birth of Pietro and Antonia, ......
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cc=1483052

[mmogno]

Pietro Altieri was born on September 11, 1856.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cc=1483052

Antonia Pacella. September 13, 1861
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cc=1483052

[Cgriffin100]

Thank you so much!