Looking for Fedele Antonio Montone

[kaworutk3]

I went to a LDS center today, but with no luck, i couldn't find the certain birth certificate made in diamante, cosenza, italy. Is there someone that can help me to find this document?
I am looking for the birth certificate of Fedele Antonio Montone.
born 25/08/1861 in DIAMANTE, Cosenza - Calabria.
son of Raffaele Montone and Maria Capriglione
https://www.familysearch.org/search/fil ... Zd8DeJxBoU
film no. 1448700
Items 1 - 4
The comune doesn't answer with an exact record of his birth. I wonder if there is someone with the same surname on the area and could help with some extra info about this family.

[Italysearcher]

If you didn't find the birth record at LDS and the Comune didn't answer then something is not right. Either the town is wrong or the year of birth.
Most ages on ship manifests should be calculated with a 3 year time span.

[kaworutk3]

i went through files of all nearby cities as maiera, spezzano albanese, tirsia, paola, no luck on that. the family had a researcher for that previously, but he was trying to ask for 500 euros to give the record that he found, he blacked out this file https://ibb.co/0DhqPhb if u can try to guess or explain what that is, plz
these are the comuni i looked at https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... edit#gid=0

[Italysearcher]

Try Comune di Aprigliano.
500 Euros is a little excessive.

[kaworutk3]

He said something on the emails: this record was in a "Preffetura”, so it makes me think it must be a Preffetura and not a commune, and for that we have in Calabria region - Either Cosenza, Reggio Calabria and others few.

[adelfio]

Fedele Antonio Montone son of Raffaele Montone and Maria Capriglione 1861 Aug 25 born in Diamante province Cosenza he enlisted in town of Cosenza look at other Montones born in Diamonte different mother perhaps he remarried
Its probally in Diamante you just miss it if it says in the Leva that he was born there
Since you have to go to a Family History Library computer and look up comune Diamante try again it should be there in the birth records Registri dello stato civile di Diamante (Cosenza), 1809-1910
Authors:Diamante (Cosenza). Ufficio dello stato civile (Main Author) look on their computer at FHL only with the locked camera icon


Notificazioni, matrimoni, morti 1857; Nati, processetti, notificazioni, matrimoni, morti 1858-1865
Family History Library
International B1 High Density
1448700
Items 1 - 4
7850645

Marty

[kaworutk3]

i tried to look there couple of times, the problem is that the last professional said that it wasn't there and we would never find it. https://ibb.co/0DhqPhb
here are the pics of the pages 1,2 of diamante 1861
https://ibb.co/Qk5Vw67
https://ibb.co/fkDwQ6k

[adelfio]

Did you try the other years?
1860 and 1862 may put the wrong year down


Marty

[kaworutk3]

Did you try the other years?
1860 and 1862 may put the wrong year down


Marty

i tried all these
From the Research i’ve done myself:
Year of 1861 - Acquapessa, Aiello Calabro, Albidone, Alessandria di Carretro, Amantea, Amendolara, Aprigliano, Belvedere Maritimo, Calopezzati, Castrovillari, Civita, Colosino, Carigliano Calabro, Grimaldi, Grisolia, Maiera, Paola, Praia a mare, Mormanno, Rende, S. Lorenzo del Vallo, Spezzano Albanese, Terranova da Sibari, Vaccarizo Albanese.
Year of 1860 ~ 1862 - Cosenza
Year of 1857 ~ 1871 - Diamante

[erudita74]

You need to register with a username, password, and an email address. Once you get an email reply, there will be info there for you to activate your acct

http://www.poster.beniculturali.it/ascs ... heda.faces

The following is what I found regarding this Montone family

Montone Fedele Antonio
birthplace DIAMANTE
birthdate 25/08/1861
SIAS Code IT-ASCS-F680258
Ufficio Leva della Provincia di Cosenza, Enlistment year 1861.Volume number 64,
document number - page 239 section -
Fedele Antonio Montone, enlisted on --/--/----
born on 25/08/1861 to DIAMANTE
son/daughter of Raffaele Montone and of Maria Capriglione

SIAS Code IT-ASCS-F680743
Municipality of DIAMANTE. Volume number 41, document number 5 page -
Raffaele Montone, ferraro, 23 years son of Francesco Montone and of Rachele Burza
Maria Capriglione, 22 years daughter of Bonaventura Capriglione and of Carmela Cauteruccio
married on 21/04/1849
SIAS Code IT-ASCS-F680258

Ufficio Leva della Provincia di Cosenza, Enlistment year 1852.Volume number 19,
document number - page 77 section -
Francesco Maria Montone, enlisted on --/--/----
born on 29/10/1852 to DIAMANTE
son/daughter of Raffaele Montone and of Maria Capriglione
SIAS Code IT-ASCS-F680258

Ufficio Leva della Provincia di Cosenza, Enlistment year 1855.Volume number 39,
document number - page 73 section -
Filippo Montone, enlisted on --/--/----
born on 12/05/1855 to GRISOLIA
son/daughter of Raffaele Montone and of Maria Capriglione
SIAS Code IT-ASCS-F680743

Municipality of DIAMANTE. Volume number 43, document number 5 page -
Rachele Montone dead on 24/01/1851 at the age of 2 months
born in CIPOLLINA
son/daughter of Raffaele Montone , ferraro and of Maria Capriglione

[erudita74]

SIAS Code IT-ASCS-F680743
Municipality of DIAMANTE. Volume number 12, document number 18 page -
Francesco Montone, ferraro, 34 years son of Giuseppe Montone and of Maria Riccio
Rachele Borza, filatrice, 28 years daughter of Bruno Borza and of Serafina Perrone
married on 25/10/1820

[kaworutk3]

SIAS Code IT-ASCS-F680743
Municipality of DIAMANTE. Volume number 12, document number 18 page -
Francesco Montone, ferraro, 34 years son of Giuseppe Montone and of Maria Riccio
Rachele Borza, filatrice, 28 years daughter of Bruno Borza and of Serafina Perrone
married on 25/10/1820

Thanks for that. I could see this information some days ago. Now I am having difficulties finding the lista di leva on full extract to know if Diamante was registered on his place of birth...

[kaworutk3]

So, i could find his enlistment on full extract, but it says just his residency, i tried to search for all possible years on Diamante, Grisolia (where his brothers and sister were declared) and nothing was found. Should i ask for a stato di famiglia on Diamante? https://ibb.co/8cG0bFT

[erudita74]

My understanding is that a stato di famiglia document is very time consuming to compile, can be very costly, and a lot of towns no longer will issue this kind of document. I'm sure you already have the following contact info for Diamante, but I'm providing the info anyway. Also, I meant to ask you if you went to Fedele's date of birth in the 1861 records, or did you rely solely on his name not being in the index for that year? Sometimes there are errors in the indices, but I assume that you already checked the records for that year anyway.

Servizio: STATO CIVILE E DEMOGRAFICO
Indirizzo: Palazzo Comunale – via Pietro Mancini n. 10
Orario: lunedì – mercoledì – venerdì dalle ore 9,00 alle ore 12,00
Telefono: 0985 – 81398 Fax: 0985 – 81021
e-mail: settembre.antonietta@comune-diamante.it
Responsabile: rag. Antonietta Settembre
A chi rivolgersi: rag. Antonietta Settembre

In looking at the military record, it seems he did not appear when the time for his military conscription came due, which was in about 1881, when those born in 1861 would have been called up to serve. Do you know if he and/or the rest of his family had left the town or Italy by this period of time? Just curious.

Erudita

[kaworutk3]

My understanding is that a stato di famiglia document is very time consuming to compile, can be very costly, and a lot of towns no longer will issue this kind of document. I'm sure you already have the following contact info for Diamante, but I'm providing the info anyway. Also, I meant to ask you if you went to Fedele's date of birth in the 1861 records, or did you rely solely on his name not being in the index for that year? Sometimes there are errors in the indices, but I assume that you already checked the records for that year anyway.

Servizio: STATO CIVILE E DEMOGRAFICO
Indirizzo: Palazzo Comunale – via Pietro Mancini n. 10
Orario: lunedì – mercoledì – venerdì dalle ore 9,00 alle ore 12,00
Telefono: 0985 – 81398 Fax: 0985 – 81021
e-mail: settembre.antonietta@comune-diamante.it
Responsabile: rag. Antonietta Settembre
A chi rivolgersi: rag. Antonietta Settembre

In looking at the military record, it seems he did not appear when the time for his military conscription came due, which was in about 1881, when those born in 1861 would have been called up to serve. Do you know if he and/or the rest of his family had left the town or Italy by this period of time? Just curious.

Erudita

I think i even searched year by year from 61 to 63 by looking to all the pages of births. I am just wondering what another comune can be, i tried belvedere because it was in the section of his military enlistment, but no luck