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Question about localities in Antenati records

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Not sure if anyone has an answer to this question or not -- it concerns how Antenati lists communes by province/State archive.

My main commune of research, Valmontone, Roma Lazio (of which I have extracted everything I can so far) has records that begin at unification in 1871 (and continue through WWII). On Antenati's site, it lists the records for the Roman state to only have been "partially" released. Other communes in the archives of Rome go back considerably farther (others are similar to Valmontone).

Family Search has military records and some marriage pubblications additionally, but all within the same year ranges as Antenati.

In a Catasto list I found (also on Antenati), which was from an earlier period (pre-unification, mid 19th century), the information is listed in the Roman archive but sub-classified under 'Frosinone'. Antentati lists Frosinone's records as "complete".

So my question is, how would any pre-1871 Valmontone records (IF any even exist) be classified..? Would they be under the Roman state archive (which may mean more records COULD be forthcoming), or under Frosinone (which would indicate a 'dead end')..?

I would love to do deeper research without having to do a complicated (and expensive) search through parish records, with no guarantee of finding anything useful...

I'll continue to keep my fingers crossed.
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Have you asked the (current) town hall?
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darkerhorse wrote: 23 Jul 2022, 15:18 Have you asked the (current) town hall?
Not yet. Unfortunately my schedule has been too tight of late to take the time to construct & format a properly-worded query. It's not like I'm desperate for answers tomorrow. It was just another of those "Renaissance Man" ponderings... :roll:
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Hi,
I've always wanted to ask you if you have tried this:

https://www.diocesivelletrisegni.it/cur ... -di-segni/

This is a list of what they should have:

Fondi o serie proprie dell’Archivio
Sezione prima
1. Visite pastorali e “ad limina”, pezzi 14 1703-1958
2. Chiesa Cattedrale di S. Maria Assunta, pezzi 2
3. Segni: Chiese Parrocchiali e documenti vari, pezzi 3
4. Segni: Confraternite, pezzi 3
5. Segni: Clero, pezzi 1
6. Segni: Centenario di S. Bruno, pezzi 1
7. Valmontone: Chiese Parrocchiali e documenti vari,
pezzi 7

336
8. Artena: Chiese Parrocchiali e docuenti vari, pezzi 4
9. Artena: Confraternite, pezzi 1
10. Montelanico: Chiese Parrocchiali e documenti vari,
pezzi 4
11. Gavignano: Chiese Parrocchiali e documenti vari,
pezzi 3
12. Colleferro: Chiese Parrocchiali e documenti vari,
pezzi 1
13. Istituti Religiosi, pezzi 4 1887-1906
14. Cappellanie, pezzi 1 sec. XIX
15. Carte del periodo Tessaroli, pezzi 4 1934-1953
16. Ordini Religiosi femminili; Pie Opere, pezzi 1 1970-1980
17. Ufficio Catechistico, pezzi 10 1960-1980
18. Ordinazioni, pezzi 61 1603-1981
19. Congresso Eucaristico Diocesano, pezzi 1 1931
20. Sacre Congregazioni, pezzi 1
21. Cause di Beatificazione di Fr. Leopoldo a Gaichis,
pezzi 1
22. Libri degli oneri di messe, pezzi 15 sec. XIX
Sezione seconda
1. Mensa vescovile, pezzi 1
2. Atti vari della Diocesi, pezzi 1
3. Liber Accusationum et Inquisitionum, pezzi 4 secc. XVII-XIX
4. Decreti di Giurisdizione, pezzi 5
5. Corrispondenze, pezzi 2
6. Informazioni, pezzi 3
7. Atti civili, pezzi 121 1570-1870
8. Giornale di udienze degli atti civili, pezzi 2
9. Perizie e testimonianze, pezzi 6
10. Atti criminali, pezzi 18 1830-1870
11. Tribunale S. Rota, pezzi 1 1945-1960
12. Atti economici, pezzi 13
13. Benefici, pezzi 20 secc. XVIII-XIX
14. Statistica, pezzi 1
15. Azione Cattolica, pezzi 1
20. Assistenza sociale, pezzi 5
21. Encicliche e lettere papali, pezzi 1
Sezione terza
1. Atti matrimoniali, pezzi 266 1603-1984
Archivio diocesano di Segni
337
Sezione quarta
1. Atti diversi (miscellanea), pezzi 103
2. Atti diversi (documenti vari relativi alle cinque località
della diocesi: Segni, Valmontone, Artena,
Montelanico, Gavignano), pezzi 57


I don't know if they are parish registers, but it might be worth to try.
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PippoM wrote: 23 Jul 2022, 17:21 Hi,
I've always wanted to ask you if you have tried this:

https://www.diocesivelletrisegni.it/cur ... -di-segni/


I don't know if they are parish registers, but it might be worth to try.
Thank you, Pippo, I was unaware of these records. I will check them out to see if I can find anything. You didn't put it in red, but the local parish is Santa Maria Assunta.

I will advise on any findings.
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I once sent a very basically worded email to the ancestral town hall and I got a prompt and useful response. I wrote in broken Italian with an English language translation included just to cover al bases.
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PippoM wrote: 23 Jul 2022, 17:21 Hi,
I've always wanted to ask you if you have tried this:

https://www.diocesivelletrisegni.it/cur ... -di-segni/

This is a list of what they should have:

Fondi o serie proprie dell’Archivio
Sezione prima
1. Visite pastorali e “ad limina”, pezzi 14 1703-1958
2. Chiesa Cattedrale di S. Maria Assunta, pezzi 2
3. Segni: Chiese Parrocchiali e documenti vari, pezzi 3
4. Segni: Confraternite, pezzi 3
5. Segni: Clero, pezzi 1
6. Segni: Centenario di S. Bruno, pezzi 1
7. Valmontone: Chiese Parrocchiali e documenti vari,
pezzi 7

336
8. Artena: Chiese Parrocchiali e docuenti vari, pezzi 4
9. Artena: Confraternite, pezzi 1
10. Montelanico: Chiese Parrocchiali e documenti vari,
pezzi 4
11. Gavignano: Chiese Parrocchiali e documenti vari,
pezzi 3
12. Colleferro: Chiese Parrocchiali e documenti vari,
pezzi 1
13. Istituti Religiosi, pezzi 4 1887-1906
14. Cappellanie, pezzi 1 sec. XIX
15. Carte del periodo Tessaroli, pezzi 4 1934-1953
16. Ordini Religiosi femminili; Pie Opere, pezzi 1 1970-1980
17. Ufficio Catechistico, pezzi 10 1960-1980
18. Ordinazioni, pezzi 61 1603-1981
19. Congresso Eucaristico Diocesano, pezzi 1 1931
20. Sacre Congregazioni, pezzi 1
21. Cause di Beatificazione di Fr. Leopoldo a Gaichis,
pezzi 1
22. Libri degli oneri di messe, pezzi 15 sec. XIX
Sezione seconda
1. Mensa vescovile, pezzi 1
2. Atti vari della Diocesi, pezzi 1
3. Liber Accusationum et Inquisitionum, pezzi 4 secc. XVII-XIX
4. Decreti di Giurisdizione, pezzi 5
5. Corrispondenze, pezzi 2
6. Informazioni, pezzi 3
7. Atti civili, pezzi 121 1570-1870
8. Giornale di udienze degli atti civili, pezzi 2
9. Perizie e testimonianze, pezzi 6
10. Atti criminali, pezzi 18 1830-1870
11. Tribunale S. Rota, pezzi 1 1945-1960
12. Atti economici, pezzi 13
13. Benefici, pezzi 20 secc. XVIII-XIX
14. Statistica, pezzi 1
15. Azione Cattolica, pezzi 1
20. Assistenza sociale, pezzi 5
21. Encicliche e lettere papali, pezzi 1
Sezione terza
1. Atti matrimoniali, pezzi 266 1603-1984
Archivio diocesano di Segni
337
Sezione quarta
1. Atti diversi (miscellanea), pezzi 103
2. Atti diversi (documenti vari relativi alle cinque località
della diocesi: Segni, Valmontone, Artena,
Montelanico, Gavignano), pezzi 57


I don't know if they are parish registers, but it might be worth to try.
Is there something similar for Sicily (Siracusa, Augusta)?
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MarcuccioV wrote: 23 Jul 2022, 19:32
PippoM wrote: 23 Jul 2022, 17:21
Thank you, Pippo, I was unaware of these records. I will check them out to see if I can find anything. You didn't put it in red, but the local parish is Santa Maria Assunta.

I will advise on any findings.
I think the Santa Maria Assunta Cathedral mentioned here is in Segni.
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