Paolino Arnone and Cira Greco 1856 Marineo Marriage

[mmogno]

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It mentions Anna Maria Greco as the mid-wife. She is the one who assisted the unknown mother with the delivery of Paolino or was she the one taking care of Paolino as a baby/child?
Anna Maria Greco, midwife, is the person who presents the child to the Marineo Municipal Office. She declares that the child was "on the pious wheel of this hospital in a worn rag, without any marks or signs, as stated in the declaration from the office of the parish priest of the mother church of Marineo, sent on the same day" [10 July 1823].

Does it even mention where he lived, maybe an orphnage?
No, there is no such information.

I'm assuming Francesco the father dropped offPaolino at the wheel, was that at a church, hospital, city hall...?
"a pia ruota di questo Spedale = on the pious wheel of this hospital"

The birth of Paolino that was mentioned by his father Francesco and the mid-wife of July 10, 1823, I'm curious to know why that would not be in the birth index. I looked and did not find a Paolino where the parents are unknown.
In the birth index is #127 Esposito Paulino

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Thank you

Chris

[erudita74]

"I'm assuming Francesco the father dropped offPaolino at the wheel, was that at a church, hospital, city hall...?
"a pia ruota di questo Spedale = on the pious wheel of this hospital"

I agree with mmogno, as this info appears at the bottom of the left column of the first page of the birth record. However, I searched for a hospital in Marineo, and one with a wheel mechanism in 1823. It appears that there wasn't one in Marineo at that time, as the population there was too small to support such an institution. So possibly the hospital with the mechanism was in the city of Palermo itself (Ospedale Grande e Nuovo was definitely such a hosptial).

[erudita74]

From page 430-432

Are these the individuals responsible for the "family council"? If so did they mention any merits or shortcomings?

Francesco DiLorenzo, son of dec Paolino, age 21
Ciro DiLorenzo, son of dec Paolino, age 27

The above two individuals, and Cira's brother, made up the three individuals from their father's side of the family

Ciro LoPinto son of dec Giuseppe, age 22
Giovanni Battista Lo Pinto, son of dec Giuseppe, age 24
Antonio di Sclafani, son of dec Pietro, age 24

These three individuals made up the council from their mother's side of the family.

This document does not specifically mention what issues were addressed concerning the prospective spouse. One of the things I have seen mentioned in such a document in the past was whether or not the prospective spouse was of good moral character and therefore worthy of marrying a relative.

[erudita74]

I meant to add earlier that, since the prospective groom had been previously married to Cira’s now deceased sister, he and his reputation were already known to her family members who served on this family council. So I think the purpose of convening this council was really a formality to provide the required legal consent for their minor relative to marry since neither her parents nor grandparents were alive to do so.

Just for your info-If it had been the groom’s family who was deliberating the merits or shortcomings of a prospective bride that he was hoping to marry, in addition to considering her moral character, they would have also considered whether or not she had a sufficient dowry to bring to the marriage. There are probably other issues that might have been deliberated, but these are the ones that readily come to mind.

Erudita

[cj11788]

I want to thank you both for all this information. I cannot wait to summarize it all into one chapter in my family book.

On a side note, it is a shame Paolino's mother is not known. When I first started research, there is a marriage for Paolino's father Francesco to Grazia Profida in 1835. I also originally thought Paolino was born about 1833 but after looking at all the documents here, it is definetly 1823. In my opinion there is no way that Grazia is Paolino's mother based on the 12 year difference between the 1835 marriage and 1823 birth. Paolino's mother is another unknown.


Just saw this. I noticed the first two known children to Paolino and his first wife Paola (Cira's sister) are Grazia and Francesco. Maybe Paolino is the son of Grazia Profida if they named their first daughter after the mother????


Thanks again

Chris

[erudita74]

Chris

I personally think there’s a good chance that Grazia Profida was Paolino’s natural mother, but without documentation to prove it, I think the possibility will always remain a mystery.

Erudita