Sicllians in Rome late 1800s - where in Rome would they go?

[lyn1982]

My apoligues for making yet another post to this forum, but Rome records are so numerous look how many different communes there were in Rome! https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/search- ... 0&s_page=1 as you an see theres over 17 pages of registers just for 1880 alone.

I need to find some possible marriages in Rome between Sicilian families from Porto Empedocle and Termini Imerse, however there are way too many records to sift through looking for these marriages - and being that these were Sicilian family's that I know have ties to Rome I'm certain there must have been some sort of Sicilian settlement/neighborhood there. I'd like to know which exact communes I should be focusing my search on.

[darkerhorse]

Do you have access to Ancestry.com?

[lyn1982]

Yes, but I don't think the records are indexed there are they?

I guess a simpler way may be to find what few records I have and ask where they occurred. Like this one for the Nacca birth. https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12 ... ud19778342

[darkerhorse]

Ancestry.com wasn't online so I tried FamilySearch.

I did an exact search for birth in Agrigento, marriage in Rome between 1870 and 1899, and I got 36 records including one for Liborio Iacono.

You could very the search terms - looking for residence or death in Rome, looking at specific towns near Rome etc. This search yielded a few towns in addition to Roma itself. Keep in mind that Rome is so large - I don't know about finding sections of neighborhoods within Rome. Keep track of the number of records you get for the migration flows you search for to discern patterns.

If you're just looking for patterns of Sicilian migration you could specify birth in Sicily instead of a particular place of birth like PE.

I only found one record using PE as place of birth: Eduardo Vittore Bertogli born in PE in 1861 married Serafina Adelaide Iacopini in Roma in 1892.

Marcuzzu in this Forum could help you with this question. Maybe Pippo too.

I would use Ancestry.com which seems to have a much larger record base.

There may have been men in the military or police force who served in Rome and settled there?

[darkerhorse]

My other advice would be to consult a California psychic.

[lyn1982]

Thanks, but I've done that too, but I think most records aren't indexed, I want to be able to go through them manually. For example one couple married in Rome - where are their children? They don't come up in the index, except for the death of one.

[lyn1982]

My other advice would be to consult a California psychic.

lol what?

[MarcuccioV]

My other advice would be to consult a California psychic.

lol what?

I think it's a backhanded reference to me (LOL). I spar with the 'dark one' often on here. I have more recent Roman roots (albeit not Rome itself) and much deeper Sicilian ones. I have not made a direct connection yet, although I'm still trying. I'm convinced that there was a Sicilian migration into the Roman countryside in the 1700's or early 1800's. Whether that affects your situation or not I don't know, but it sounds like it doesn't. My DNA matches with Sicilian roots favor Messina and Agrigento provinces...

[lyn1982]

Oh lol.

I think there was a migration wave to there in the 1870s-1880s too - that seems to be when mine immigrated. Mine are from Agrigento too! But also from Palmero. Thats assuming I'm correct on being related to my ggf and that I don't actually have a break in my line where my grandmas father wasn't her father lol.

Do you have a gedmatch kit? We should totally compare if so. Would be interesting if we matched.

[MarcuccioV]

Oh lol.

I think there was a migration wave to there in the 1870s-1880s too - that seems to be when mine immigrated. Mine are from Agrigento too! But also from Palmero. Thats assuming I'm correct on being related to my ggf and that I don't actually have a break in my line where my grandmas father wasn't her father lol.

Do you have a gedmatch kit? We should totally compare if so. Would be interesting if we matched.

My combined Ancestry/23&me kit is SJ826464C1; my cousin's Ancestry kit is FA6757204 (her mother's side is from Carini near Palermo; her father & my mother were twins)...

[lyn1982]

My kit is LG1484509 , looks like no match.

[MarcuccioV]

My kit is LG1484509 , looks like no match.

I dropped the threshold to 3cM, and came up with a match of almost 152 cM's to yours, so it appears there may be some distant relationships.

With the same threshold and using my cousin's kit, I get a 262 cM match to you -- even closer (mind you her mom was 97% Sicilian)...

[lyn1982]

I see the match to you when I lower to 3cms but it doesn't come up with any match to your cousin for me.

I wonder if the match we have is just identical by decent or if we have a shared ancestor from the 1600s or something.

[MarcuccioV]

I see the match to you when I lower to 3cms but it doesn't come up with any match to your cousin for me.

I wonder if the match we have is just identical by decent or if we have a shared ancestor from the 1600s or something.

Could be anything. My Ancestry makeups all show distant Sicilian, so it's more likely to be 1700's or earlier, if at all -- but it IS interesting. I'm never surprised at how small the world is at times...