foundling - 2 placements with same family - bio family, right?

[lyn1982]

Do 2 placements with the same family mean thats likely my ggf's bio family?

I don't seem to really have DNA matches to either, though both surnames seem like ones that would be easy to mispell or lose letters in translation/immigration.

I'm guessing this is probably the first couple which means both woman had maiden name Stripe and married Straccamore's https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... FT?lang=en

[darkerhorse]

What, no M family? I didn't think so.

Anyway, I'm not sure Stirpe is a surname.

You should check on the meaning of "Stirpe". In legal terms, "per stirpes" refers to beneficiaries.

Per stirpes is a legal term designating who inherits a beneficiary's portion of an estate or asset if that beneficiary dies before the testator who created the will.

It might be that the first Straccamore couple adopted and the second Straccamore couple were next in line if the first couple perished. The men are likely brothers.

Just a thought.

[darkerhorse]

In other words, one placement with a backup or two placements if the first couple had perished (or otherwise had given him up or become unable).

[lyn1982]

What, no M family? I didn't think so.

Anyway, I'm not sure Stirpe is a surname.

You should check on the meaning of "Stirpe". In legal terms, "per stirpes" refers to beneficiaries.

Per stirpes is a legal term designating who inherits a beneficiary's portion of an estate or asset if that beneficiary dies before the testator who created the will.

It might be that the first Straccamore couple adopted and the second Straccamore couple were next in line if the first couple perished. The men are likely brothers.

Just a thought.

Thank you for the reply - however it does appear to be a surname - note above record linked in post a Domenica Stripe - well actually in record Strepe - was married to a Domenico Straccamore.

If he was adopted - wouldn't surname have been changed?

[darkerhorse]

Non lo so.

They are "placements", maybe not adoptions per se?

Maybe the S family passed him around.

Do the children of foster parents have their surnames changed?

[lyn1982]

I don't get why they would do so tho - unless he was biologically related. I wish was more info out there on foundlings to know how common it was for their to be 2 different placements within same family - what that could indicate.

I just remembered too wasn't there a Joseph Straccamore in census with Peter Mastracchio in 1905 and 1915?

[darkerhorse]

It's amazing that you go that document. Was there a fee? Did you have to prove kinship?

[lyn1982]

No fee, did not have to prove kinship per say just state my relation.

[darkerhorse]

Yes, Ignazio Straccamore.

[darkerhorse]

On a manifest.

[lyn1982]

Thanks - I don't have time right now but after Christmas I'm gonna probably resub to ancestry and look into that much more.

One question I have - for anyone who can answer - the surname Strepe - that appears to be British. The assigned foundling surname Eppes - is also British. Could the person responsible for the naming have specifically chosen Giuseppe Eppes to hint at the British heritage - the DNA might support this. Note here my exactly 50% italian DNA which is to be expected - but then look at where it is - some is overlapping on both sides - especially on chromosome 15 - my mother must have some unknown undocumented Italian ancestry herself way far back (honestly there's likely a break on my one of my mothers great grandparents lines - but thats a long and whole other story)

So this means I had to have gotten some non Italian DNA from my paternal side - now what I don't know. My mothers side was half polish (seems intact). Then her maternal side which is half German have Hungarian - the Hungarian side definitely has a break - you can't paper trace back to 1700s and have zero DNA matches without a break - and my great grandmother was born 6 months after the parents married and looks nothing like her blonde haired blue eyed siblings, her hair was dark and she had brown eyes. That same DNA showed up later in my mother - who had dark hair and eyes - my mother and her 5 siblings looked like kids of 3 different sets of parents, there's black hair, platinum blonde, and fire red, and brown, green, and blue eyes.


So I need to figure out what none Italian DNA here belongs to paternal side

[darkerhorse]

I don't get why they would do so tho - unless he was biologically related. I wish was more info out there on foundlings to know how common it was for their to be 2 different placements within same family - what that could indicate.

I just remembered too wasn't there a Joseph Straccamore in census with Peter Mastracchio in 1905 and 1915?

If he's in both censuses then he can't be your GGF, but if he's only in the 1915 Census then he's likely your GGF.

[Italysearcher]

Foundlings were often placed with lactating woman for the first two years after which, if she didn’t want to keep a child, he was placed either in an orphanage or with another family