John......
Your information and explanation are extremely appreciated. It explains things I was aware of, but had not really put together in a cohesive whole. Thank you for that.
I will be heading to the library in a little bit. But I wanted to comment on one thing you listed and Romeo referred to...the birth of Carmella in 1879. My problem is that in the birth records I saw, Antonio was 30 to 34 from the first child I found to the last in 1894. To have a daughter in 1879 as well is stretching his age a bit... If he was 34 in 1894, quite young in 1879 to be the parent of Carmella. Are we looking at a problem of age in the records of the parents? Not sure. But I will attempt to see if I can find anything out from other records.
Will order the film as well.
Back later if I get more.........
Ancestors from Casacalenda : Guastaferri & Armanno
Re: Ancestors from Casacalenda : Guastaferri & Armanno
hi John, here a Giovanni Guastaferri from Casacalenda, born in the 1858, wife Maria Rosa in Casacalenda joining in Montreal at... trip of Dec 1918JohnArmellino wrote:My 3C4R was Giovanni Antonio Guastaferro (born circa 1858), son of Gaetano Guastaferro and Maria Carmela Coletta. Guastaferri is an alternative spelling. He married Maria Rosa del Cioppo (born circa 1856), daughter of Giuseppe Maria del Cioppo and Angela Maria di Zinno, on 04 AUG 1879 in Campobasso (CB). They had a daughter named Carmela who was born about 02 OCT 1879 in Campobasso (CB). They were still living in Campobasso as of 28 DEC 1887, when their daughter Rosa Angela (1882) died. They also had at least one other child, Gaetano (1884). Might this be your family? Could it be possible that they moved to Casacalenda sometime between 1887 and 1914? Casacalenda and Campobasso are not too far apart and there was a fair amount of interaction between the towns.
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Border Crossings: From Canada to U.S., 1895-1956
about Giovanni Guastaferri
Name: Giovanni Guastaferri
Arrival Date: Dec 1918
Age: 60
Birth Date: abt 1858
Birth Country: Italy
Gender: Male
Port of Arrival: Montreal, Quebec, Canada
maybe this is the Giovanni????
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Re: Ancestors from Casacalenda : Guastaferri & Armanno
Hi Susan
Giovanni Antonio Guastaferro and Maria Rosa del Cioppo were married 04 AUG 1879 in Campobasso. As per the marriage record, he was 21 years old and she was 23 years old. Carmela was born about 02 OCT 1879, only 2 months later. Of course, many couples were married in a religious ceremony before they actually went to the comune for the required civil marriage, which was oftentimes right before the birth of a child.
The age variations in the birth records of an individual's children often vary wildly. The age of my 2GGF Donato Felice di Nonno varied by 23 years as per the birth records of his children! I find that the most accurate age (in the absence of a birth record) is the age reported on the marriage record.
I think that Giovanni Antonio was about 21 years old at the birth of his first child Carmela, which to me seems a reasonable age.
Giovanni Antonio Guastaferro and Maria Rosa del Cioppo were married 04 AUG 1879 in Campobasso. As per the marriage record, he was 21 years old and she was 23 years old. Carmela was born about 02 OCT 1879, only 2 months later. Of course, many couples were married in a religious ceremony before they actually went to the comune for the required civil marriage, which was oftentimes right before the birth of a child.
The age variations in the birth records of an individual's children often vary wildly. The age of my 2GGF Donato Felice di Nonno varied by 23 years as per the birth records of his children! I find that the most accurate age (in the absence of a birth record) is the age reported on the marriage record.
I think that Giovanni Antonio was about 21 years old at the birth of his first child Carmela, which to me seems a reasonable age.
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Re: Ancestors from Casacalenda : Guastaferri & Armanno
Yes, that looks like another trip by Giovanni. Seems like he made at least four trips within 15 years.suanj wrote:hi John, here a Giovanni Guastaferri from Casacalenda, born in the 1858, wife Maria Rosa in Casacalenda joining in Montreal at... trip of Dec 1918
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Border Crossings: From Canada to U.S., 1895-1956
about Giovanni Guastaferri
Name: Giovanni Guastaferri
Arrival Date: Dec 1918
Age: 60
Birth Date: abt 1858
Birth Country: Italy
Gender: Male
Port of Arrival: Montreal, Quebec, Canada
maybe this is the Giovanni????
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Re: Ancestors from Casacalenda : Guastaferri & Armanno
Hi Romeo
With the information that has been provided by all, I feel certain that our two families are, in fact, one and the same. Even if Giuseppe Guastaferri was a foundling named Armanno, it's quite clear that he was considered a member of the Guastaferri family and treated like a son by Giovanni Antonio.
Piacere di conoscerla il mio cugino.
Using Carmela Guastaferro as the First Generation, the following is an Ahnentafel Chart that shows all the data I have on your direct lines:
[align=center]Ahnentafel Chart for Carmela Guastaferro[/align]
[align=center]First Generation[/align]
1. Carmela Guastaferro was born about 02 OCT 1879 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno d'Italia.
Carmela married Luigi di Lalla on 29 NOV 1900.
[align=center]Second Generation[/align]
2. Giovanni Antonio Guastaferro was born calculated 1857/1858 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno delle Due Sicilie. He married Maria Rosa del Cioppo on 04 AUG 1879 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno d'Italia.
3. Maria Rosa del Cioppo was born calculated 1855/1856 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno delle Due Sicilie.
[align=center]Third Generation[/align]
4. Gaetano Guastaferro was born on 07 AUG 1832 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno delle Due Sicilie. He was christened on 09 AUG 1832 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno delle Due Sicilie. He died on 28 SEP 1873 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno d'Italia. He married Maria Carmela Coletta on 03 OCT 1857 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno delle Due Sicilie.
5. Maria Carmela Coletta was born on 18 OCT 1836 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno delle Due Sicilie. She was christened on 20 OCT 1836 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno delle Due Sicilie. She died on 08 JUL 1883 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno d'Italia.
6. Giuseppe Maria del Cioppo was born on 23 JAN 1800 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno di Napoli. He was christened on 25 JAN 1800 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno di Napoli. He died on 25 NOV 1891 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno d'Italia. He married Angela Maria di Zinno on 16 AUG 1840 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno delle Due Sicilie.
7. Angela Maria di Zinno was born on 23 JAN 1819 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno delle Due Sicilie. She died on 19 JAN 1861 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno delle Due Sicilie.
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8. Giovanni Felice Guastaferro was born on 26 JUN 1789 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno di Napoli. He died on 11 AUG 1849 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno delle Due Sicilie. He married Maria Vittoria Iannella on 27 APR 1815 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno di Napoli.
9. Maria Vittoria Iannella was born on 02 OCT 1799 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno di Napoli. She died on 02 FEB 1864 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno delle Due Sicilie.
DEATH: Her death record states that her parents are Antonio and Tommasina Ricciuti. This appears to be an error. As per her marriage and processetti records, Maria Vittoria Iannella, daughter of Domenico Angelo Iannella and Maria Teresa di Niro, was married to Giovanni Felice Guastaferro, whose parents are Antonio Guastaferro and Tommasina Ricciuti.
10. Michelangelo Coletta was born on 13 OCT 1809 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno di Napoli. He died on 22 SEP 1875 in Casacalenda, Larino, Molise, Regno d'Italia. He married Maria Carolina Iannella on 30 AUG 1835 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno delle Due Sicilie.
DEATH: His death record states that his father is Giovanni. This appears to be an error. See the birth extract submitted with his processetti.
11. Maria Carolina Iannella was born on 07 MAY 1814 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno di Napoli. She died on 19 JAN 1861 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno delle Due Sicilie.
12. Crescenzo del Cioppo was born calculated 1758/1759. He died on 12 FEB 1813 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno di Napoli. He married Emilia Rosa Colonna.
13. Emilia Rosa Colonna was born on 23 DEC 1770 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno di Napoli. She died on 20 NOV 1827 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno delle Due Sicilie.
14. Giovanni Maria di Zinno was born on 22 JUL 1792 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno di Napoli. He was christened on 23 JUL 1792 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno di Napoli. He died on 10 SEP 1851 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno delle Due Sicilie. He married Serafina di Tota on 11 OCT 1817 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno delle Due Sicilie.
15. Serafina di Tota was born on 26 JAN 1797 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno di Napoli. She died on 30 MAY 1833 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno delle Due Sicilie.
[align=center]Fifth Generation[/align]
16. Antonio Guastaferro was born calculated 1751/1756 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno di Napoli. He died on 07 OCT 1816 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno di Napoli. He married Tommasina Ricciuti.
17. Tommasina Ricciuti was born calculated 1752/1753. She died on 23 DEC 1803 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno di Napoli.
18. Domenico Angelo Iannella was born on 13 FEB 1774 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno di Napoli. He died on 04 JUL 1830 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno delle Due Sicilie. He married Maria Teresa di Niro.
19. Maria Teresa di Niro was born calculated 1770/1776 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno di Napoli. She died on 01 SEP 1811 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno di Napoli.
20. Pasquale Coletta was born calculated 1777/1789 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno di Napoli. He died on 19 OCT 1830 in Campomarino, Larino, Molise, Regno delle Due Sicilie. He married Agnese Iacampo.
21. Agnese Iacampo was born calculated 1778/1791 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno di Napoli. She died on 09 FEB 1839 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno delle Due Sicilie.
22. Pietrangelo Iannella was born calculated 1776/1783 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno di Napoli. He died on 07 JAN 1837 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno delle Due Sicilie. He married Maria Rosa di Nonno.
23. Maria Rosa di Nonno was born calculated 1779/1788 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno di Napoli. She died on 03 JAN 1848 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno delle Due Sicilie.
24. Giuseppe del Cioppo was born calculated 1720/1721. He died on 06 SEP 1804 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno di Napoli. He married Angela Antonia d'Amolfo.
MARRIAGE: Maria di Zinno was his fourth wife.
25. Angela Antonia d’Amolfo was born calculated 1727/1728. She died on 03 SEP 1791 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno di Napoli.
26. Nicola Colonna was born calculated 1724/1725. He died on 12 AUG 1790 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno di Napoli. He married Ippolita Palladino.
27. Ippolita Palladino was born calculated 1724/1725. She died on 25 DEC 1795 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno di Napoli.
28. Angelo Nicola di Zinno was born calculated 1746/1747. He died on 14 MAY 1812 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno di Napoli. He married Isabella Felicita.
29. Isabella Felicita was born calculated 1751/1752. She died on 17 AUG 1812 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno di Napoli.
30. Giuseppe Maria di Tota was born calculated 1761/1770. He died on 20 FEB 1800 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno di Napoli. He married Maria Teresa Angelillo.
31. Maria Teresa Angelillo was born calculated 1766/1774.
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32. Saverio Guastaferro died in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno di Napoli. He married Anna Trotta.
33. Anna Trotta was born calculated 1715/1721. She died on 02 JAN 1774 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno di Napoli.
36. Luciano Iannella was born calculated 1725/1726. He died on 18 AUG 1790 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno di Napoli. He married Tommasina di Nonno.
37. Tommasina di Nonno was born calculated 1746/1747. She died on 05 OCT 1787 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno di Napoli.
40. Bartolomeo Coletta was born calculated 1750/1751. He died on 25 SEP 1801 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno di Napoli. He married Maria Vincenza Gammieri.
41. Maria Vincenza Gammieri was born calculated 1746/1747 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno di Napoli. She died on 02 DEC 1825 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno delle Due Sicilie.
42. Giovanni Iacampo was born calculated 1739/1740. He died on 26 OCT 1792 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno di Napoli. He married Agata di Nonno.
43. Agata di Nonno was born calculated 1753/1754 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno di Napoli. She died on 16 JAN 1824 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno delle Due Sicilie.
44. Luciano Iannella was born calculated 1725/1726. He died on 18 AUG 1790 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno di Napoli. He married Tommasina di Nonno.
45. Tommasina di Nonno was born calculated 1746/1747. She died on 05 OCT 1787 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno di Napoli.
46. Rocco di Nonno was born calculated 1737/1738. He died on 06 MAR 1802 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno di Napoli. He married Anna Maria Trentalange.
47. Anna Maria Trentalange.
48. Innocenzio del Cioppo was born calculated 1699/1700. He died on 21 OCT 1763 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno di Napoli. He married Olimpia Iannantuono.
49. Olimpia Iannantuono.
50. Marcantonio d’Amolfo. Marcantonio married Alessandrina Muccino.
51. Alessandrina Muccino.
52. Francesco Colonna was born calculated 1702/1703. He died on 08 MAY 1771 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno di Napoli. He married Angela Zantonelli.
53. Angela Zantonelli died on 16 DEC 1753 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno di Napoli.
54. Rocco Palladino. Rocco married Caterina Mancini.
55. Caterina Mancini.
56. Giovanni Maria di Zinno was born calculated 1717/1718. He died on 19 SEP 1775 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno di Napoli. He married Costanza Mancini.
57. Costanza Mancini was born calculated 1718/1719. She died on 20 JUN 1784 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno di Napoli.
58. Cosmo Felicita was born calculated 1706/1707. He died on 03 DEC 1785 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno di Napoli. He married Chiara Iacampo.
59. Chiara Iacampo was born calculated 1716/1717. She died on 02 FEB 1757 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno di Napoli.
60. Silvestro di Tota was born calculated 1735/1736. He died on 08 NOV 1803 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno di Napoli. He married Dorodea Iannantuono.
61. Dorodea Iannantuono.
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72. Giuseppe Iannella was born calculated 1702/1703. He died on 15 AUG 1733 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno di Napoli. He married Dorodea Iocca.
73. Dorodea Iocca.
82. Nicola Gammieri.
86. Pietro di Nonno. Pietro married Libera Mancini.
87. Libera Mancini.
88. Giuseppe Iannella was born calculated 1702/1703. He died on 15 AUG 1733 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno di Napoli. He married Dorodea Iocca.
89. Dorodea Iocca.
96. Giuseppe del Cioppo.
Note: Aside from the common variations in vowel endings, the following variations occur with respect to the surnames listed above - del Cioppo aka Giancioppo aka Giangiobbe; Iannella aka Iannetta; di Tota aka di Toro (more a common error than variation); di Niro aka di Nigris aka de Negro; d'Amolfo aka d'Anolfo; Felicita aka Colafelice aka di Felice; Angelillo aka Angiolillo; Trotta aka di Trotta; Trentalange aka Trentalance.
If you would like an expanded Ahnentafel Chart, which includes all sources, send me a PM with your e-mail address.
We are 6C1R via Saverio Guastaferro and Anna Trotta. We share quite a few surnames on our direct lines: Guastaferro, di Tota, di Niro, di Nonno, Palladino, Trotta, Gammieri, Iannantuono, and Mancini.
The next time you are in Campobasso, you must dine at Tre Ponte on Strada S. Antonio Abate. It's owned and operated by your 6C1R Stefania Iannantuono. Or you might need a taxi - hire the white Mercedes that picks up near the Cattedrale and is owned and operated by your 5C Pasquale di Soccio. Or you might want a gelato at the restaurant at Villa de Capoa - that's owned and operated by Pasquale's niece and your 5C1R.
I wonder what we'll find with respect to Giuseppe's birth record.
With the information that has been provided by all, I feel certain that our two families are, in fact, one and the same. Even if Giuseppe Guastaferri was a foundling named Armanno, it's quite clear that he was considered a member of the Guastaferri family and treated like a son by Giovanni Antonio.
Piacere di conoscerla il mio cugino.
Using Carmela Guastaferro as the First Generation, the following is an Ahnentafel Chart that shows all the data I have on your direct lines:
[align=center]Ahnentafel Chart for Carmela Guastaferro[/align]
[align=center]First Generation[/align]
1. Carmela Guastaferro was born about 02 OCT 1879 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno d'Italia.
Carmela married Luigi di Lalla on 29 NOV 1900.
[align=center]Second Generation[/align]
2. Giovanni Antonio Guastaferro was born calculated 1857/1858 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno delle Due Sicilie. He married Maria Rosa del Cioppo on 04 AUG 1879 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno d'Italia.
3. Maria Rosa del Cioppo was born calculated 1855/1856 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno delle Due Sicilie.
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4. Gaetano Guastaferro was born on 07 AUG 1832 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno delle Due Sicilie. He was christened on 09 AUG 1832 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno delle Due Sicilie. He died on 28 SEP 1873 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno d'Italia. He married Maria Carmela Coletta on 03 OCT 1857 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno delle Due Sicilie.
5. Maria Carmela Coletta was born on 18 OCT 1836 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno delle Due Sicilie. She was christened on 20 OCT 1836 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno delle Due Sicilie. She died on 08 JUL 1883 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno d'Italia.
6. Giuseppe Maria del Cioppo was born on 23 JAN 1800 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno di Napoli. He was christened on 25 JAN 1800 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno di Napoli. He died on 25 NOV 1891 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno d'Italia. He married Angela Maria di Zinno on 16 AUG 1840 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno delle Due Sicilie.
7. Angela Maria di Zinno was born on 23 JAN 1819 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno delle Due Sicilie. She died on 19 JAN 1861 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno delle Due Sicilie.
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8. Giovanni Felice Guastaferro was born on 26 JUN 1789 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno di Napoli. He died on 11 AUG 1849 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno delle Due Sicilie. He married Maria Vittoria Iannella on 27 APR 1815 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno di Napoli.
9. Maria Vittoria Iannella was born on 02 OCT 1799 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno di Napoli. She died on 02 FEB 1864 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno delle Due Sicilie.
DEATH: Her death record states that her parents are Antonio and Tommasina Ricciuti. This appears to be an error. As per her marriage and processetti records, Maria Vittoria Iannella, daughter of Domenico Angelo Iannella and Maria Teresa di Niro, was married to Giovanni Felice Guastaferro, whose parents are Antonio Guastaferro and Tommasina Ricciuti.
10. Michelangelo Coletta was born on 13 OCT 1809 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno di Napoli. He died on 22 SEP 1875 in Casacalenda, Larino, Molise, Regno d'Italia. He married Maria Carolina Iannella on 30 AUG 1835 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno delle Due Sicilie.
DEATH: His death record states that his father is Giovanni. This appears to be an error. See the birth extract submitted with his processetti.
11. Maria Carolina Iannella was born on 07 MAY 1814 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno di Napoli. She died on 19 JAN 1861 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno delle Due Sicilie.
12. Crescenzo del Cioppo was born calculated 1758/1759. He died on 12 FEB 1813 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno di Napoli. He married Emilia Rosa Colonna.
13. Emilia Rosa Colonna was born on 23 DEC 1770 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno di Napoli. She died on 20 NOV 1827 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno delle Due Sicilie.
14. Giovanni Maria di Zinno was born on 22 JUL 1792 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno di Napoli. He was christened on 23 JUL 1792 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno di Napoli. He died on 10 SEP 1851 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno delle Due Sicilie. He married Serafina di Tota on 11 OCT 1817 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno delle Due Sicilie.
15. Serafina di Tota was born on 26 JAN 1797 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno di Napoli. She died on 30 MAY 1833 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno delle Due Sicilie.
[align=center]Fifth Generation[/align]
16. Antonio Guastaferro was born calculated 1751/1756 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno di Napoli. He died on 07 OCT 1816 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno di Napoli. He married Tommasina Ricciuti.
17. Tommasina Ricciuti was born calculated 1752/1753. She died on 23 DEC 1803 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno di Napoli.
18. Domenico Angelo Iannella was born on 13 FEB 1774 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno di Napoli. He died on 04 JUL 1830 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno delle Due Sicilie. He married Maria Teresa di Niro.
19. Maria Teresa di Niro was born calculated 1770/1776 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno di Napoli. She died on 01 SEP 1811 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno di Napoli.
20. Pasquale Coletta was born calculated 1777/1789 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno di Napoli. He died on 19 OCT 1830 in Campomarino, Larino, Molise, Regno delle Due Sicilie. He married Agnese Iacampo.
21. Agnese Iacampo was born calculated 1778/1791 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno di Napoli. She died on 09 FEB 1839 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno delle Due Sicilie.
22. Pietrangelo Iannella was born calculated 1776/1783 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno di Napoli. He died on 07 JAN 1837 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno delle Due Sicilie. He married Maria Rosa di Nonno.
23. Maria Rosa di Nonno was born calculated 1779/1788 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno di Napoli. She died on 03 JAN 1848 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno delle Due Sicilie.
24. Giuseppe del Cioppo was born calculated 1720/1721. He died on 06 SEP 1804 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno di Napoli. He married Angela Antonia d'Amolfo.
MARRIAGE: Maria di Zinno was his fourth wife.
25. Angela Antonia d’Amolfo was born calculated 1727/1728. She died on 03 SEP 1791 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno di Napoli.
26. Nicola Colonna was born calculated 1724/1725. He died on 12 AUG 1790 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno di Napoli. He married Ippolita Palladino.
27. Ippolita Palladino was born calculated 1724/1725. She died on 25 DEC 1795 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno di Napoli.
28. Angelo Nicola di Zinno was born calculated 1746/1747. He died on 14 MAY 1812 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno di Napoli. He married Isabella Felicita.
29. Isabella Felicita was born calculated 1751/1752. She died on 17 AUG 1812 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno di Napoli.
30. Giuseppe Maria di Tota was born calculated 1761/1770. He died on 20 FEB 1800 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno di Napoli. He married Maria Teresa Angelillo.
31. Maria Teresa Angelillo was born calculated 1766/1774.
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32. Saverio Guastaferro died in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno di Napoli. He married Anna Trotta.
33. Anna Trotta was born calculated 1715/1721. She died on 02 JAN 1774 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno di Napoli.
36. Luciano Iannella was born calculated 1725/1726. He died on 18 AUG 1790 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno di Napoli. He married Tommasina di Nonno.
37. Tommasina di Nonno was born calculated 1746/1747. She died on 05 OCT 1787 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno di Napoli.
40. Bartolomeo Coletta was born calculated 1750/1751. He died on 25 SEP 1801 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno di Napoli. He married Maria Vincenza Gammieri.
41. Maria Vincenza Gammieri was born calculated 1746/1747 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno di Napoli. She died on 02 DEC 1825 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno delle Due Sicilie.
42. Giovanni Iacampo was born calculated 1739/1740. He died on 26 OCT 1792 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno di Napoli. He married Agata di Nonno.
43. Agata di Nonno was born calculated 1753/1754 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno di Napoli. She died on 16 JAN 1824 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno delle Due Sicilie.
44. Luciano Iannella was born calculated 1725/1726. He died on 18 AUG 1790 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno di Napoli. He married Tommasina di Nonno.
45. Tommasina di Nonno was born calculated 1746/1747. She died on 05 OCT 1787 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno di Napoli.
46. Rocco di Nonno was born calculated 1737/1738. He died on 06 MAR 1802 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno di Napoli. He married Anna Maria Trentalange.
47. Anna Maria Trentalange.
48. Innocenzio del Cioppo was born calculated 1699/1700. He died on 21 OCT 1763 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno di Napoli. He married Olimpia Iannantuono.
49. Olimpia Iannantuono.
50. Marcantonio d’Amolfo. Marcantonio married Alessandrina Muccino.
51. Alessandrina Muccino.
52. Francesco Colonna was born calculated 1702/1703. He died on 08 MAY 1771 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno di Napoli. He married Angela Zantonelli.
53. Angela Zantonelli died on 16 DEC 1753 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno di Napoli.
54. Rocco Palladino. Rocco married Caterina Mancini.
55. Caterina Mancini.
56. Giovanni Maria di Zinno was born calculated 1717/1718. He died on 19 SEP 1775 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno di Napoli. He married Costanza Mancini.
57. Costanza Mancini was born calculated 1718/1719. She died on 20 JUN 1784 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno di Napoli.
58. Cosmo Felicita was born calculated 1706/1707. He died on 03 DEC 1785 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno di Napoli. He married Chiara Iacampo.
59. Chiara Iacampo was born calculated 1716/1717. She died on 02 FEB 1757 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno di Napoli.
60. Silvestro di Tota was born calculated 1735/1736. He died on 08 NOV 1803 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno di Napoli. He married Dorodea Iannantuono.
61. Dorodea Iannantuono.
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72. Giuseppe Iannella was born calculated 1702/1703. He died on 15 AUG 1733 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno di Napoli. He married Dorodea Iocca.
73. Dorodea Iocca.
82. Nicola Gammieri.
86. Pietro di Nonno. Pietro married Libera Mancini.
87. Libera Mancini.
88. Giuseppe Iannella was born calculated 1702/1703. He died on 15 AUG 1733 in Campobasso, Campobasso, Molise, Regno di Napoli. He married Dorodea Iocca.
89. Dorodea Iocca.
96. Giuseppe del Cioppo.
Note: Aside from the common variations in vowel endings, the following variations occur with respect to the surnames listed above - del Cioppo aka Giancioppo aka Giangiobbe; Iannella aka Iannetta; di Tota aka di Toro (more a common error than variation); di Niro aka di Nigris aka de Negro; d'Amolfo aka d'Anolfo; Felicita aka Colafelice aka di Felice; Angelillo aka Angiolillo; Trotta aka di Trotta; Trentalange aka Trentalance.
If you would like an expanded Ahnentafel Chart, which includes all sources, send me a PM with your e-mail address.
We are 6C1R via Saverio Guastaferro and Anna Trotta. We share quite a few surnames on our direct lines: Guastaferro, di Tota, di Niro, di Nonno, Palladino, Trotta, Gammieri, Iannantuono, and Mancini.
The next time you are in Campobasso, you must dine at Tre Ponte on Strada S. Antonio Abate. It's owned and operated by your 6C1R Stefania Iannantuono. Or you might need a taxi - hire the white Mercedes that picks up near the Cattedrale and is owned and operated by your 5C Pasquale di Soccio. Or you might want a gelato at the restaurant at Villa de Capoa - that's owned and operated by Pasquale's niece and your 5C1R.
I wonder what we'll find with respect to Giuseppe's birth record.
John Armellino
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Well......
There were so many people at the library I couldn't get copies of much of anything. However, here is a bit more that might explain what occurred.
Thanks, John, for the ages. It does make it easier to understand them being parents in 1879...particularly with her being a bit older then him.
It would appear, that most of the children died. I went to the death records and found this:
19 Sept 1891, at 8 months of age, death of Ida Guastaferro, daughter to Antonio Guastaferro and Maria Rosa Del Cioppo.
17 Oct 1892 (date of record) at 24 hours, Giovanni Guastaferro, son of Antonio Guastaferro and Maria Rosa Del Cioppo.
Next record, 17 Oct 1892 at 1 day, death of Gaetano Guastaferro, son of Antonio Guastaferro and Maria Rosa Del Cioppo.
Finally, on 20 Aug 1894 at age 6 months, the death of Asuntina Guastaferro, daughter of Antonio Guastaferro and Maria Rosa Del Cioppo.
All of the above, with the death of Rosangela and the first Gaetano and then the death of Maria Annanina in 1897...this is a family that must have really desired a child and would cherish it as their own. Seven of their children had died. No doubt your Giuseppe was greatly loved....as you can tell by the trips by his father to see him!
In addition, I found the wedding of Carmela to Luigiuol (looks like that, hard to read...will check again) Di Lalla on 29 Nov 1900. Luigi is 21, son of Nicola Maria Di Lalla and Maria Giuseppe Sciscento. Carmela is also 21, and born in CAMPOBASSO, living in Casacalenda and the daughter of Giovannantonio Guastaferro and wife Maria Rosa Rose Del Cioppo. So we do know that Carmella was a sister to Giuseppe, but maybe not by blood. This is definitely the same Carmella that John posted about earlier.
As luck would have it, I had already ordered that film we need and it should be here soon. As soon as it arrives, I will check for the birth of Giuseppe. He should be listed there if born in the town...or if found in the town. So Romeo, hang in there.....
John or Suanj, can you translate the name Ammano? Does it mean something like "man" or from "man"? If it does, it could indicate that it was a name made up by the Mayor of the town or something like that...it is not a name I found in any of the Casacalenda records for that period. Just trying to think where it could come from.....I maybe way off base here.
Back when I can get more.... I am sad for the family to have lost so many children. I have not seen that before in the records...where so many are lost.
There were so many people at the library I couldn't get copies of much of anything. However, here is a bit more that might explain what occurred.
Thanks, John, for the ages. It does make it easier to understand them being parents in 1879...particularly with her being a bit older then him.
It would appear, that most of the children died. I went to the death records and found this:
19 Sept 1891, at 8 months of age, death of Ida Guastaferro, daughter to Antonio Guastaferro and Maria Rosa Del Cioppo.
17 Oct 1892 (date of record) at 24 hours, Giovanni Guastaferro, son of Antonio Guastaferro and Maria Rosa Del Cioppo.
Next record, 17 Oct 1892 at 1 day, death of Gaetano Guastaferro, son of Antonio Guastaferro and Maria Rosa Del Cioppo.
Finally, on 20 Aug 1894 at age 6 months, the death of Asuntina Guastaferro, daughter of Antonio Guastaferro and Maria Rosa Del Cioppo.
All of the above, with the death of Rosangela and the first Gaetano and then the death of Maria Annanina in 1897...this is a family that must have really desired a child and would cherish it as their own. Seven of their children had died. No doubt your Giuseppe was greatly loved....as you can tell by the trips by his father to see him!
In addition, I found the wedding of Carmela to Luigiuol (looks like that, hard to read...will check again) Di Lalla on 29 Nov 1900. Luigi is 21, son of Nicola Maria Di Lalla and Maria Giuseppe Sciscento. Carmela is also 21, and born in CAMPOBASSO, living in Casacalenda and the daughter of Giovannantonio Guastaferro and wife Maria Rosa Rose Del Cioppo. So we do know that Carmella was a sister to Giuseppe, but maybe not by blood. This is definitely the same Carmella that John posted about earlier.
As luck would have it, I had already ordered that film we need and it should be here soon. As soon as it arrives, I will check for the birth of Giuseppe. He should be listed there if born in the town...or if found in the town. So Romeo, hang in there.....
John or Suanj, can you translate the name Ammano? Does it mean something like "man" or from "man"? If it does, it could indicate that it was a name made up by the Mayor of the town or something like that...it is not a name I found in any of the Casacalenda records for that period. Just trying to think where it could come from.....I maybe way off base here.
Back when I can get more.... I am sad for the family to have lost so many children. I have not seen that before in the records...where so many are lost.
Re: Ancestors from Casacalenda : Guastaferri & Armanno
Gosh John......
While I was writing, you were posting! Wow, as VJ would say!
While I was writing, you were posting! Wow, as VJ would say!
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Thanks my friend! But John has outdone himself!vj wrote:WOW!
My goodness!
Essgee, what wonderful information
Valarie
And both Elizabeth and Suanj have found out about additional records. I dare say, Romeo did indeed strike it rich here!
You have a great evening, Valerie.....
Can't wait to see what else pops up.
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Where are the proietti records transcribed in the Casacalenda records? Prior to 1866, they were entered in the diversi records in Campobasso. I'm not sure where they're entered after 1865.As luck would have it, I had already ordered that film we need and it should be here soon. As soon as it arrives, I will check fo the birth of Giuseppe. He should be listed there if born in the town...or if found in the town. So Romeo, hang in there.....
In Campobasso, by the late 19th century they were using variations of established surnames for proietti. For example, Angelillo was changed to Angelino. However, I have also seen some beautiful descriptive names, such as Cuoregiusto and Fiorebello.John or Suanj, can you translate the name Ammano? Does it mean something like "man" or from "man"? If it does, it could indicate that it was a name made up by the Mayor of the town or something like that...it is not a name I found in any of the Casacalenda records for that period. Just trying to think where it could come from.....I maybe way off base here.
I have one mother in my database who had 12 successive stillborn children. It does make one feel for their pain and the difficult lives they often led.Back when I can get more.... I am sad for the family to have lost so many children. I have not seen that before in the records...where so many are lost.
John Armellino
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John......
Actually, I am not sure about where they are located. I looked for the birth of an individual in Piani Crati......an "Esposito"...and he was listed and I believe without parents. Somewhere else I did see a birth record where parents were not known...assumed this to be a foundling. But I cannot be sure it was in Casacalenda. Maybe Ripabottoni? Name was made up if I remember correctly.
I shouldn't have assumed it would be in the birth records. Once they arrive, we will know more. Glad you caught the error!
Have a great one......
Actually, I am not sure about where they are located. I looked for the birth of an individual in Piani Crati......an "Esposito"...and he was listed and I believe without parents. Somewhere else I did see a birth record where parents were not known...assumed this to be a foundling. But I cannot be sure it was in Casacalenda. Maybe Ripabottoni? Name was made up if I remember correctly.
I shouldn't have assumed it would be in the birth records. Once they arrive, we will know more. Glad you caught the error!
Have a great one......
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Absolutely fantabulous!
You all are just amazing.
Thank you all for the wonderful research
that you're posting. I'm learning a lot from
following the story of Romeo's family .
Valarie
You all are just amazing.
Thank you all for the wonderful research
that you're posting. I'm learning a lot from
following the story of Romeo's family
.Valarie
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Re: Ancestors from Casacalenda : Guastaferri & Armanno
I never imagined that my little shot in the dark of a post on this site would generate such a torrent of information ! Thanks a lot guys.
It's a pleasure to get acquainted with you too, cousin John
Thanks for all this data... I'm overwhelmed.
Essgee : I can't thank you enough for all your diligent work. Your posting about all those young deaths brings quite a perspective on this story.
Anxiously waiting for that coming film...
Romeo
It's a pleasure to get acquainted with you too, cousin John
Thanks for all this data... I'm overwhelmed.Essgee : I can't thank you enough for all your diligent work. Your posting about all those young deaths brings quite a perspective on this story.
Anxiously waiting for that coming film...
Romeo
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Hi Romeo
i have read the posts and wanted to let you know that if anything should come up for Bonefro Campobasso let me know, I have some of the films here in Calgary for that town and I have been to Cascalenda which is not far from Bonefro.
Best wishes with your discoveries, I too have found this site amazing the people are so generous and help keep your search alive.
Melina
i have read the posts and wanted to let you know that if anything should come up for Bonefro Campobasso let me know, I have some of the films here in Calgary for that town and I have been to Cascalenda which is not far from Bonefro.
Best wishes with your discoveries, I too have found this site amazing the people are so generous and help keep your search alive.
Melina
Chi sa dove, chi sa quando ma con tempo trovera.
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Re: Ancestors from Casacalenda : Guastaferri & Armanno
Hello again people
This week, I received a copy of my grandfather's marriage certificate. As I had previously stated, he married under the name Joseph Armanno. What I found interesting were the names he gave for his parents: Antonio Armanno & Maria Rosa Guastaferri.
What I find interesting about this is that one might have presumed that he used an alternate name to try and concele his true identity and/or origins for some reason. If that were the case, however, he certainly wouldn't state that his mother's name is Guastaferri ! Don't you think ?
And what about that Antonio Armanno ? Would that somehow be the name of his real father (Maria Rosa would have had a child outside of her family??) or maybe he just gave the name Antonio as being the one of his real father, but then falsely gave his surname as being Armanno simply to avoid having to explain why HIS name happened to be Armanno rather than Guastaferri ? Or maybe his natural father is really Antonio Armanno and Maria Rosa Guastaferri (del Cioppo) his adoptive mother ?
So many hyphotheses, so little facts... Still expecting that film on Casacalenda births, Esgee ?
Although, on that subject, there's another small detail that may or may not be of consequence. Still refering to that marriage license, Joseph gives as his place of birth: Campo Basso, Italy. City of Campobasso ? Or maybe he just gave the name of the province, thinking it might be better known to foreigners than Casacalenda ?
Anyone out here have access to birth records from Campobasso (circa 1897?) just on the outside chance there might be a Giuseppe Armanno born during that period ?
Thanks again, all.
Hope to read from you soon.
This week, I received a copy of my grandfather's marriage certificate. As I had previously stated, he married under the name Joseph Armanno. What I found interesting were the names he gave for his parents: Antonio Armanno & Maria Rosa Guastaferri.
What I find interesting about this is that one might have presumed that he used an alternate name to try and concele his true identity and/or origins for some reason. If that were the case, however, he certainly wouldn't state that his mother's name is Guastaferri ! Don't you think ?
And what about that Antonio Armanno ? Would that somehow be the name of his real father (Maria Rosa would have had a child outside of her family??) or maybe he just gave the name Antonio as being the one of his real father, but then falsely gave his surname as being Armanno simply to avoid having to explain why HIS name happened to be Armanno rather than Guastaferri ? Or maybe his natural father is really Antonio Armanno and Maria Rosa Guastaferri (del Cioppo) his adoptive mother ?
So many hyphotheses, so little facts... Still expecting that film on Casacalenda births, Esgee ?
Although, on that subject, there's another small detail that may or may not be of consequence. Still refering to that marriage license, Joseph gives as his place of birth: Campo Basso, Italy. City of Campobasso ? Or maybe he just gave the name of the province, thinking it might be better known to foreigners than Casacalenda ?
Anyone out here have access to birth records from Campobasso (circa 1897?) just on the outside chance there might be a Giuseppe Armanno born during that period ?
Thanks again, all.
Hope to read from you soon.
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Re: Ancestors from Casacalenda : Guastaferri & Armanno
Hi Romeo
Perhaps the names of his father and mother were a result of confusion as to the exact relationship between the parties. It doesn't necessarily follow that he was tring to hide something. Assuming he was married in the USA, the authorities would not be familiar with the Italian infant abandonment system and wcould have been confused when Joseph Armanno tried to explain that his "father" was named Guastaferri. As to Maria Rosa, American authorities were likewise unfamiliar with the Italian custom of women retaining their birth names; hence Maria Rosa was assigned her marriage name, as is the custom in the USA.This week, I received a copy of my grandfather's marriage certificate. As I had previously stated, he married under the name Joseph Armanno. What I found interesting were the names he gave for his parents: Antonio Armanno & Maria Rosa Guastaferri. ...maybe he just gave the name Antonio as being the one of his real father, but then falsely gave his surname as being Armanno simply to avoid having to explain why HIS name happened to be Armanno rather than Guastaferri ? Or maybe his natural father is really Antonio Armanno and Maria Rosa Guastaferri (del Cioppo) his adoptive mother ?
While he may have simply given the name of the province as his birthplace, I'll check the Campobasso birth records this week for any record of Giuseppe Armanno.Still refering to that marriage license, Joseph gives as his place of birth: Campo Basso, Italy. City of Campobasso? Or maybe he just gave the name of the province, thinking it might be better known to foreigners than Casacalenda? Anyone out here have access to birth records from Campobasso (circa 1897?) just on the outside chance there might be a Giuseppe Armanno born during that period ?
John Armellino