Name Query

[Marisa6]

Another wee bit of history!

As Suanj said, most italo-scozzesi come from one of three areas in Italy. The two biggest groups of immigrants came from the areas around Barga and Picinisco. Your ancestor who came over in the 1880s would have been among the first big wave of Italians coming to Scotland. This first 'wave' of Italians into Scotland tended to be the ones that came from the Picinisco area - so I would hazard a guess that this is his area of origin. The immigrants from Barga generally came over a little later.

Many immigrants came into Scotland by the system of chain-migration - ie they were sent for by family or friends that had gone before. It is worth getting the microfilm of the 1891 census and carefully checking the surrounding households for family members. Parts of Glasgow were like a rabbit warren, and many many people lived in a small area. One tenement address can take up several pages of a census book, so don't just look at a couple of pages either side. Peter of course may have been among the first in his family to come, so there might not be any others.

Marisa

[Marisa6]

Hi again

I have found the birth certificate of one of the children - John. It is listed under CASWILLI. He was born 16th October 1887 at 6 Little St Glasgow. He was illegitimate - which is why there is no marriage certificate. Parents were Peter Caswilli - ice cream maker, and Elizabeth McNamara - laundry worker.

Both parents signed the birth certificate with an 'X' - which suggests that neither could read or write very well. That probably means the surname has been written phonetically by the registrar. Does anyone know if there are any Italian surnames that maybe sound like 'casuelli'????

Hope that helps

Marisa

[pink67]

Ciao Mariasa6

maybe "Cascelli"??



Laura

[Marisa6]

Hi Laura

Yes - that must be a definite possibility. Caselli is another. Castelli, Casinelli, Casoli, Garzoli and Capaldi all show up on Glasgow certificates from the time. Unfortunately I can't find any information on either Helen, Peter or Elizabeth - only John. Sorry Susan!

Marisa

[mahart]

Hi Marisa & Susan,

I ran a soundex query on surname carswell (keyword Italy) on Eng & Welsh 1901 census (why no Scottish census?) on Ancestry and here are the results below. May help in solving what the name should be.

Record Francesco Crisculo abt 1866 Italian Subject, Italy Head Bromley London
View Record Loranzo Crisculo abt 1872 Istalian Sub, Italy Head St Andrew Holborn above the Bars and St George the Martyr London
View Record Luigi Crisculo abt 1898 Istalian Sub, Italy Son St Andrew Holborn above the Bars and St George the Martyr London
View Record Maddalen Crisculo abt 1875 Istalian Sub, Italy Wife St Andrew Holborn above the Bars and St George the Martyr London
View Record Attilio Criscuoli abt 1879 Salarno, Italy Vessels Royal Navy
View Record Alfonso Criscuolo abt 1881 Station Subject, Italy Servant St Pancras London
View Record Amtanetta Criscuolo abt 1885 Foreign Subject, Italy Daughter Shoreditch London
View Record Dosquall Criscuolo abt 1889 Foreign Subject, Italy Son Shoreditch London
View Record Fitomena C Criscuolo abt 1852 Foreign Subject, Italy Wife Shoreditch London
View Record Michael Criscuolo abt 1876 Nagles Italian Subject, Italy Servant Southwark St George the Martyr London
View Record Teresa Criscuolo abt 1847 Nagles Italian Subject, Italy Servant Southwark St George the Martyr London

[mahart]

Some more names from the same census's
Frances A Carawglia abt 1844 Italy Head Paddington London
View Record Caterina Cerasale abt 1875 Italian Subject, Italy Wife Watford Hertfordshire
View Record Emily Cerasale abt 1900 Italian Subject, Italy Daughter Watford Hertfordshire
View Record Grvacelino Cerasale abt 1896 Italian Subject, Italy Son Watford Hertfordshire
View Record Pietro Cerasale abt 1875 Italian Subject, Italy Head Watford Hertfordshire
View Record Sersefina Cerasale abt 1897 Italian Subject, Italy Daughter Watford Hertfordshire
View Record Alexander Cerasoli abt 1867 Italy Head St Luke London
View Record Beatrice Cerasoli abt 1881 Italian Subject, Italy Daughter Fulham London
View Record Emma Cerasoli abt 1888 Italian Subject, Italy Daughter Fulham London
View Record Enrica Cerasoli abt 1882 Italian Subject, Italy Daughter Fulham London
View Record Ermelinda Cerasoli abt 1882 Italy Sister-in-law St Luke London
View Record Ernetto Cerasoli abt 1889 Italy Brother-in-law St Luke London
View Record Eugenia Cerasoli abt 1889 Italian Subject, Italy Daughter Fulham London
View Record Maria Cerasoli abt 1874 Italy Wife St Luke London
View Record Mariano Cerasoli abt 1850 Italian Subject, Italy Head Fulham London
View Record Rosina Cerasoli abt 1879 Italian Subject, Italy Daughter Fulham London
View Record Sofia Cerasoli abt 1851 Italian Subject, Italy Wife Fulham London
View Record Maria Cirasula abt 1877 Italy Wife Islington London
View Record Pascquale Cirasula abt 1869 Italy Head Islington London
View Record Laverie Ciriglio abt 1870 Italy Brother St Andrew and St George London
View Record Maerchele Ciriglio abt 1863 Italy Head St Andrew and St George London
View Record Maria Ciriglio abt 1866 Italy Wife St Andrew and St George London
View Record Attilio Criocuoli abt 1879 Salerno Italian Subject, Italy Vessels Royal Navy
View Record Gezrial Criscoli abt 1865 Italian Subj, Italy Head Manchester Lancashire
View Record Ermelinde Crisculo abt 1896 Istalian Sub, Italy Son St Andrew Holborn above the Bars and St George the Martyr London

[jcsm400]

Thought this information & link may be helpful.



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[Marisa6]

Hi Susan

I've been thinking about other types of records that might shed some light on this elusive name! In Scotland, schooling became compulsory for all children under 13 in 1872, so Peter and Elizabeth's children must have been educated somewhere. The Mitchell Library in Glasgow has hundreds of the original admissions registers for schools. You mentioned that Elizabeth was a widow by 1901. Where was she living? Her children probably went to school nearby.

The other records that might be of interest are the applications for parish relief. If Peter had died by 1901 leaving Elizabeth to support the family by herself, she may have needed help. Parish relief applications are very detailed and fascinating, and occasionally list the names of the applicant, their parents and the dead spouses parents too. They might be worth a try. Any application would be likely to be listed under Elizabeths own name of McNamara as well as Peters name. I think Scottish law is like Italian law in that a woman keeps the name she is born with, and is only known by her husbands by tradition. These records are also found at the Mitchell. Contact -

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Marisa

[suzyblu]

Thanks everyone especially Marisa!

Haven't had much time to do anymore but when I am back in Scotland in July I will be will have access to more.

I found out Elizabeth was living in Dundee, fofarshire in the 1991 census and did not remarry (or marry) till 1908 so was on her own with about 6 kids so will try the parish relief and search schools in Dundee.

I will just keep trying

Susan

[suzyblu]

Hi again

I have found the birth certificate of one of the children - John. It is listed under CASWILLI. He was born 16th October 1887 at 6 Little St Glasgow.

Marisa

Thanks again for help, can I ask you where you found his birth certificate I can't find it anywhere??

Susan

[dalhousie]

Good Evening
Can anyone tell if Suzyblu is still contactable? I did send her a PM but no reply, I know it's a long time ago. I wanted to tell her that I found Peter Carswell he was also my GGrandfather !
Thanks

[suzyblu]

Peter Carswell - Pietro Casoli?

Hi everyone

Wondered if anyone can help me on where to look next. I think I have found my GG granfather Pietro from Italy, he died in Stirling Scotland aged 99 years old in 1939. His parents were Louisa Casoli and Joanna Casoli (nee Galeu/Galea). I know he was in Scotland in 1891 census which says he was born in Italy. So therefore trying to find when he came to UK and where he was born. Any ideas?

[suanj]

But Peter was died in 1901 or 1939?????

[suzyblu]

Certificate says 1939. The dates and ages don't match with census. Looks like he left his partner and she moved to Dundee with her children and says she was widowed but never married him in the first place.

[suanj]

ok I understood...
it is possible that this census (1881) matching with your ancestor...?
1881 England Census
about Pietre Cajole
Name: Pietre Cajole
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1856
Relation: Lodger
Gender: Male
Where born: Italy

Civil Parish: Leeds
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street address: 9 Lumbs Square
Education:

Employment status: View Image
Occupation: Musician

Registration district: Leeds
Sub registration district: North Leeds
ED, institution, or vessel: 27
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Mary Fontana 48
Annie Fontana 16
Victoria Fontana 11
Dominico Fontana 9
John Fontana 6
Dominico Copperlo 50
Biaggo Copperlo 21
Domenica Copperlo 13
Arcangelo Carolli 30
Carlo Prarina 65
Pietre Cajole 25
Ginseppe Martino 50
Domenico Quaglia 40
Con Duvo Figlia 17


I know that is no stottish census, but many italians moved, and after first job as musicians, they becoming ice cream vendor