name changes

[vj]

ar, thanks for the update!

Do any of these RICH names look familiar?
It's difficult to connect Anthony Rich to his family in NY w/o more info...
A clue may be the immigration of the Porto's to Ulster county NY?

possible 1910 US Census
Saugerties, Ulster, NY
- John RICH, 38 (abt 1872), married 10 yrs (abt 1900),
immig 1890 Pa or Na?, laborer - brick maker, rents
- wife Mary, 31 (abt 1879), 4 children born/living, immig 1898
- daughter Rosina, 10 (abt 1900), b in NY
- son Stephen, 5 (abt 1905), b in NY
- son Antonio, 3 (abt 1907), b in NY
- son Joseph, 1 (abt 1909), b in NY

probably the same possible family
1920 US Census
Saugerties, Ulster, NY
Main Street
- John RICK, 51 (abt 1869), immig 1891 Na 1901, laborer - brickyard, rents
- wife Mary, 44 (abt 1876), 4 children born/living, immig 1897 Na 1901
- son Stephen, 15 (abt 1905), b in NY
- son Tony, 13 (abt 1907), b in NY
- son Joseph, 10 (abt 1909), b in NY
- daughter Clotilda 8 (abt 1912), b in NY

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Here's a Porto - Misasi manifest combo...

First Name: Gaetano
Last Name: Misasi
Ethnicity: Italy, Italian South
Last Place of Residence: Paterno, Cosenza
Date of Arrival: Apr 30, 1913
Age at Arrival: 18y Gender: M Marital Status: S
Ship of Travel: Berlin
Port of Departure: Naples
Manifest Line Number: 0006

1913 Page 1


1913 Page 2

0001. Benincasa, Maria F 19y M Italy, Italian South Paterno, Cosenza father in Italy is Giovanni, to join husband in Gaetano Misasi in Box 33, Athens NY

0002. Guercio, Antonio M 17y S Italy, Italian South Paterno, Cosenza father in Italy is Salvatore, to join cousin Domenico Giardiello??

0003. Porto, Luigi M 28y M Italy, Italian South Paterno, Cosenza wife in Italy is Chiara Bruni, will join brother Giovanni Porto in Glasco NY

0004. Gabriele, Antonio M 39y M Italy, Italian South Paterno, Cosenza wife in Italy is Rosa Misasi, will join brother in law Gaetano Misasi in Box 33, Athens

0005. Gabriele, Francesco M 13y S Italy, Italian South Paterno, Cosenza will join his uncle Gaetano Misasi in Box 33, Athens, NY

0006. Misasi, Gaetano M 18y S Italy, Italian South Paterno, Cosenza father in Italy is Salvatore, will join cousin Luigi Misasi Box 33, Athens, NY

0007. Pulice, Giuseppe M 17y S Italy, Italian South Paterno, Cosenza, father in Italy is Francesco, will join his brother Luigi in Box 33, Athens, NY

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Maria

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ar,

Can you do a quick summary or a recap of these people you are researching... it will help organise the information better.. include birthdates too... there's lots of possibilities...

arrrrr

Maria

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Hope you do come back... ar

Here's a hunch....

The town of Amorosi, Italy....

Many Riccio's (Angelo, Giovanni, Antonio...) settled in Glasco, NY and many are from Amorosi, Italy...

But just a hunch....

Amorosi Town Info

Maria

[nuccia]

Alright, i have confirmed that

RICH
possible 1930 US Census
ancestry.com page 30 of 35
Athens, Greene, NY
Brick Row, owns home
- RICK (RICH), Anthony, 22 (abt 1907), married age 20 (abt 1927),
b in NY, parents b in Italy, laborer - brick yard
- wife Mariella, 17, (abt 1912-3), b in NY, parents b in Italy
- son John, 7 mos, b in NY

They are definitely my great-grandparents, as I forgot that my grandfather was indeed born in Athens, so the 7mos. old is him haha. That's funny to think he was once that young.

Also

Francesco PORTO, 18, single
SS Vincenzo Florio, 15 Mar 1905, Napoli to NY, line 27
last residence Paterno C. (may be Paterno Calabro, Cosenza), going to Glasgow (Glasco), Ulster, NY, joining uncle Giovanni Pugliesi?


He is for sure my grandfather's grandfather on his mom's side, as that obituary of Thomas Porto confirms that (Charlie Porto, my grandfather's uncle, I met at his funeral, and Frank and Clara did indeed have 9 kids.)

Right now I am trying to find at least a first name for my great-great grandfather (on the rich side), and my dad remembers that he was told the name was changed from Riccio to Rich at Ellis Island.

I was also trying to find Clara Misasi on the ship manifest...but I can't find her, is it possible she was born in the US? Even though her brothers/cousins Luigi and Gaetano came in 1900/1900. Are there ship manifests from before 1892? Also could you find her age in the 1920 or '30 census?

I did a search for someone and the Misasi surname was linked with the Rich/Riccio.Ricci surname...will look for it because this sounds very familiar. Have you also checke out this post..

http://italiangenealogy.tardio.com/Foru ... iccio.html

I'm sure I linked that last name with this post somehow but I don't have the written info handy right now..

Nuccia

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ar,

Can you do a quick summary or a recap of these people you are researching... it will help organise the information better.. include birthdates too... there's lots of possibilities...

arrrrr

Maria

Actually, ar, you did provide us with a good summary... the one that Nuccia posted above is good.... only asked for another one since further info was added... just wanted you to verify if we are on the right track...

Thanks for the link to the other one Nuccia... was busy during that time in June and never even read it...

That Ricci surname!! arrrrrrrrr....
(gotta see that Johnny Dep Pirates movie... love that guy)

I too have Ricci in my family tree... what a research nightmare it is!! (from Central Italy)...

I've spent some time looking through all the Italian "Rich"... Ricchio, Riccio, Ricci... and even RECH...

I was very surprised to see how many Italian Rich (exact spelling) surnames were on the Ancestry data base...

When I realised that many of the Riccio's - especially from Amorosi moved to Athens/ Ulster/Glasco area.. I thought it may be an OK lead...

Wouldn't it be nice if vj could find a census record of Riccio's living near Mariella's neighbourhood

Now to read the link Nuccia posted...

Maria

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I was also trying to find Clara Misasi on the ship manifest...but I can't find her, is it possible she was born in the US? Even though her brothers/cousins Luigi and Gaetano came in 1900/1900. Are there ship manifests from before 1892? Also could you find her age in the 1920 or '30 census?

I'm looking for this one!!

There are ship manifests before 1892 and they can be found within the Ancestry.com data base...

For text only info.... http://www.castlegarden.org/

Could you give me an approx. year of birth for Clara??

Maria

[vj]

Hi all!
A little ramble here ...
Quite a few 'Rich' families on same census page in 1930 in Athens, Greene County (earlier post). Trouble finding connections with these families though without some more confirmed family first names...
Going back to manifests (thanks Maria!) Rich, Porto & Misasi families may have also started out in Ulster county in 2 locations - Glasco and Saugerties.
Looking at earlier census, can only (so far) find an Antonio with a birth date close enough in 1910 & 1920 in Saugerties, Ulster County (above).
A connection appears to be the family occupation in both towns (Athens & Saugerties) - brick making.
Maria, U R right, lot's of Rich's in the area. Perhaps tracking some of the names, inc Misasi, from Maria's manifests to the matching census will help.
Another strong connection is Paterno (which one??) in Cosenza.
Maybe there's a WWI or WWII draft registration for one of these names (Rich, Ricci, Misasi, Porto) in Athens, Glasco or Saugerties born in Paterno??
Really hoping someone from ar's family recognizes some names!
vj

[vj]

If this helps...
Summary of 'knowns' from everyone's contributions so far:

PORTO/MISSASI Family
from obit for Thomas V Porto

Great Great Grandfather
Frank (Francesco) PORTO
from 1905 manifest
b abt 1886-7 in Paterno C
immig to Glasco, Ulster, NY
from WWI Draft Card
b 11 May 1888

Great Great Grandmother
Clara MISSASI (possibly MISASI?) (Porto)

children Great Grand Uncles & Grand Aunts
Thomas, Charles, Patsy, Anna (Cross), Tess (DeSantis),
Josephine (Candrilli), Virginia (DeSantis), Louis, Frank

and (daughter) Great Grandmother
Mariella PORTO (below)

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RICH Family

Great Grandfather
Anthony Steven RICH
from 1930 census
b abt 1907 in Italy
married abt 1927
laborer - brickyard

Great Grandmother
Mariella PORTO (Rich)
from 1930 census
b abt 1912-3 in NY (parents b in Italy)
married abt 1927

(son) Grandfather
John Anthony RICH
from SSDI & 1930 census
b 2 Sep 1929 probably Athens, Greene, NY
d 24 Apr 2006 Catskill, Greene, NY

[jcsm400]

Hi all!
A little ramble here ...
Quite a few 'Rich' families on same census page in 1930 in Athens, Greene County (earlier post). Trouble finding connections with these families though without some more confirmed family first names...
Going back to manifests (thanks Maria!) Rich, Porto & Misasi families may have also started out in Ulster county in 2 locations - Glasco and Saugerties.
Looking at earlier census, can only (so far) find an Antonio with a birth date close enough in 1910 & 1920 in Saugerties, Ulster County (above).
A connection appears to be the family occupation in both towns (Athens & Saugerties) - brick making.
Maria, U R right, lot's of Rich's in the area. Perhaps tracking some of the names, inc Misasi, from Maria's manifests to the matching census will help.
Another strong connection is Paterno (which one??) in Cosenza.
Maybe there's a WWI or WWII draft registration for one of these names (Rich, Ricci, Misasi, Porto) in Athens, Glasco or Saugerties born in Paterno??
Really hoping someone from ar's family recognizes some names!
vj

Hi vj,

WWI Draft Registrations
Both the Antonio Misasi (b. 8/9/1881) & Pietro Misasi (6/29/1886), living in Ulster county, NY were born in Pat(d?)erno, Italy. Both are brickmakers
Angelo Rich, brickmaker, living in Glasco, Ulster, NY., b. 11/18/1894 shows Amorse (??), Italy.

Does this help at all???

jcsm

[vj]

Hi jcsm,
Absolutely!
Lots of connections to be made to this (apparently) very large family
Is Amorosi a possibility do you think, which families?? (see Maria's note above)
Does it sound like the brickmaking companies may have advertised in
these towns in Italy for workers?
vj

For some perspective (if these families are related) - a little historical background on Saugerties, Glasco (in Saugerties) & Athens. Appears brick making was a major industry:

Saugerties, Ulster County, History (excerpts) http://saugerties.ny.us/history.html
When the early industries failed after mid-century, paper, brick making, gunpowder, farm goods, river ice, and especially blue stone from area quarries, replaced them. Two thousand-men were employed at one time in quarrying, dressing and shipping about one and a half million dollars' worth of blue stone annually from Glasco, Malden, and Saugerties. The blue stone was used for curbing and paving, crosswalks, doorsills and windowsills and much of it found it's way to New York City.
The village population stabilized at about 4,000 around 1870 after forty years of sharp increase and remained almost unchanged for one hundred years. Irish, Germans, and later Italians established themselves as workers in the mills, quarries, and brickyards as well as in the village
The brick industry grew in the 1880's when Washburn Brothers and Empire State Brick Company opened their brickyards. Later the Staples and Hutton Brickyards were established.

Glasco is a community in the town of Saugerties. http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:tF ... n&ie=UTF-8
Settled largely by unskilled workers, first from Ireland and then from Italy, they came to the area in great numbers in the late 19th century by ferry after landing in New York City. They tended to lived in company housing on the banks of the river. At one point, the town boasted over six brick factories, a ferry service, a school, churches and several saloons. Bricks were sent down the Hudson River by barge to furnish the construction of America's cities.

Athens, Greene County http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:Hd ... n&ie=UTF-8
Athens, formed from Catskill and Coxsackie, is located on the Hudson near the center of the county. Although below the main ridges of the Catskills, there is limestone rock in sufficient quantities to be quarried and burned for building purposes. The banks of the Hudson are rich in a tenacious clay from which building brick is made, this latter industry being the main one of the town

[vj]

ar, if any of these look correct, we can add info to the 'known' list, vj

PORTO/(Clara) MISASI Family possible census:

probable 1930 US Census
Athens, Greene, NY
Brick Row, owns $1,000
- Frank PORTO, 41 (1889), married age 20 (1909), immig 1905 Al, laborer - brickyard
- wife Clara, 38 (1892), married age 17, immig 1908 Al
(children b in NY)
- son Lewis, 19 (1911), helper - ice truck
- son Frank Jr, 14 (1916)
- daughter Josephine, 11 (1919)
- son Charles, 9 (1921)
- daughter Theresa, 7 (1923)
- son Thomas, 5 (1925)
- daughter Virginia, 3 (1927)
- daughter Anna, 10 mos (1929)
next family on census page belongs to Thomas MASSIA, 41 (possible MISASI??)

probable 1920 US Census
Athens, Greene, NY
Brick Row, rents
- Frank PORT, 31(1889), immig 1900 Al, laborer
- wife Clara, 28 (1892), immig 1900 Al
- son Louis, 8 (1912), immig 1900??? Al (not born in 1900)
- daughter Amelia (Mariella??), 6 (1914), b in NY
- son Frank, 4 (1916), b in NY
- daughter Josephine, 2 yrs 11 mos (1917), b in NY
- (x for relation to head) Thomas MISASI, 30 (1890), widower,
immig 1900 Al, laborer
(same census page as Carmine RICH from earlier post, no connection yet)

possible? 1910 US Census
Athens, Greene, NY
The Brick Row
- Franco PORTER, 23 (1887), immig 1905 or 1906? Al, driver - brickyard
- wife Carrie, 19 (1891), married 2 yrs (1908), no children,
immig 1909 Al
- brother John PORTER, 20 (1890), immig 1908 Al, dumper - brickyard
- boarder John Saita?, 36, immig 1906 Al, driver - brickyard

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ar, if any of these look correct, we can add info to the 'known' list, vj

PORTO/(Clara) MISASI Family possible census:

probable 1930 US Census
Athens, Greene, NY
Brick Row, owns $1,000
- Frank PORTO, 41 (1889), married age 20 (1909), immig 1905 Al, laborer - brickyard
- wife Clara, 38 (1892), married age 17, immig 1908 Al
(children b in NY)
- son Lewis, 19 (1911), helper - ice truck
- son Frank Jr, 14 (1916)
- daughter Josephine, 11 (1919)
- son Charles, 9 (1921)
- daughter Theresa, 7 (1923)
- son Thomas, 5 (1925)
- daughter Virginia, 3 (1927)
- daughter Anna, 10 mos (1929)
next family on census page belongs to Thomas MASSIA, 41 (possible MISASI??)

probable 1920 US Census
Athens, Greene, NY
Brick Row, rents
- Frank PORT, 31(1889), immig 1900 Al, laborer
- wife Clara, 28 (1892), immig 1900 Al
- son Louis, 8 (1912), immig 1900??? Al (not born in 1900)
- daughter Amelia (Mariella??), 6 (1914), b in NY
- son Frank, 4 (1916), b in NY
- daughter Josephine, 2 yrs 11 mos (1917), b in NY
- (x for relation to head) Thomas MISASI, 30 (1890), widower,
immig 1900 Al, laborer
(same census page as Carmine RICH from earlier post, no connection yet)

possible? 1910 US Census
Athens, Greene, NY
The Brick Row
- Franco PORTER, 23 (1887), immig 1905 or 1906? Al, driver - brickyard
- wife Carrie, 19 (1891), married 2 yrs (1908), no children,
immig 1909 Al
- brother John PORTER, 20 (1890), immig 1908 Al, dumper - brickyard
- boarder John Saita?, 36, immig 1906 Al, driver - brickyard

You know... ar did say there were about 9 kids!! Where is ar ????

Hope he can confirm your findings vj... as usual, they look great!!

jcsm.... the WW1 draft records do say Amorosi... there should be one for an Angelo as well....

vj...It's great that you posted the info on the 3- Glasco, Saugerties and Athens... I need that info.... !!

vj ... in my opinion... the Riccio's from Amorosi... (still an unproven hunch)... and all the rest... Porto, Misasi from Paterno... that's what it points to..

I've been away from the computer all day... hubby is needing stiches from a hand saw injury... and is at the hospital this minute... just waiting... and waiting...

Plus my computer has been given a new operating system ... now I have a back up of kids wanting to use it... but then.. I still have the rest of the night to the "weeee" hours of the morning...

Look forward to looking further!

Thank you vj and jcsm for all the new info you posted... how on earth do you follow all this... !!

Maria

[vj]

OWW!
Maria,
Hope your husband doesn't hurt too much!
Going to keep looking for census, etc., this search is taking on a life of it's own... Eventually there has to be a connection made with so many people helping out!
Would really like to see some more confirmation from ar - could update our 'knowns' with some likely birth & marriage dates.
Catch you later, vj

[vj]

PORTO Family
probable WWI Draft Registration Card
1917
Frank PORTE
Athens, Greene, NY
29 yrs old, 11 May 1888
alien, declared intention
born in Italy
laborer - Mayone Brick Co, Athens
(Mayone was based in Athens & Glasco)
wife & 3 children
signed: Francesco PORTO

(will add birth date to 'knowns')