Does anyone have experience with this scenario?
So a petition for naturalization was found for my great-grandfather, dated in 1903 but no certificate of naturalization. I know pre-1906 means the local courts processed and stored all documents and the search yielded nothing else, USCIS and NARA both came back, no record found.
My great-grandmother was issued a "no record found" by the courthouse in question, thus I'm in the 1948 case direction (which ICA presumed from the start due to census records for my great-grandfather which were listed "NA"). I'm sure one could say they were "NA" but were not, did they have to prove it with documentation or not?
So, is a petition for naturalization enough on it's own to rule out my great-grandfather in my case? No rejection documentation was found and whether or not local courts kept a copy of the certificate of naturalization along with providing one to the petitioner is also a question?
It's unknown if this record exists and whether or not it was saved after he passed away in 1945. Has anyone been able to find certificates of naturalization pre-1906 in city or county courthouse(s)?
Petition for Naturalization found, but no Certificate???
Re: Petition for Naturalization found, but no Certificate???
My GGF naturalized in the same courthouse as your GGF in 1920, and although there is no distinct certificate of naturalization, there is a section of the petition titled "Order of Court admitting petitioner". It states that my GGF is hereby admitted as a citizen of the USA on MM/DD/YYYY. Does that section exist on your GGF's petition?afecad wrote: 02 Feb 2022, 21:33 Does anyone have experience with this scenario?
So a petition for naturalization was found for my great-grandfather, dated in 1903 but no certificate of naturalization. I know pre-1906 means the local courts processed and stored all documents and the search yielded nothing else, USCIS and NARA both came back, no record found.
My great-grandmother was issued a "no record found" by the courthouse in question, thus I'm in the 1948 case direction (which ICA presumed from the start due to census records for my great-grandfather which were listed "NA"). I'm sure one could say they were "NA" but were not, did they have to prove it with documentation or not?
So, is a petition for naturalization enough on it's own to rule out my great-grandfather in my case? No rejection documentation was found and whether or not local courts kept a copy of the certificate of naturalization along with providing one to the petitioner is also a question?
It's unknown if this record exists and whether or not it was saved after he passed away in 1945. Has anyone been able to find certificates of naturalization pre-1906 in city or county courthouse(s)?
Regarding pre-1906 naturalizations, I have a more distant ancestor who naturalized in New Jersey in 1904 but his certificate was not issued properly and was considered invalid...so he had to have a new certificate issued in 1908 which was formatted according to the 1906 regulations. They gave him the same date in 1904 as his official naturalization date. Perhaps your GGF had a similar situation?
Re: Petition for Naturalization found, but no Certificate???
Yes, the “Order of Court” section is on the petition as well, dated and signed. It appears he filed intent in 1898, his date of first visit and I know he went back and forth to Italy a few times in between. So the 1903 date aligns with the 5 year wait period.qualdom wrote: 03 Feb 2022, 00:56
My GGF naturalized in the same courthouse as your GGF in 1920, and although there is no distinct certificate of naturalization, there is a section of the petition titled "Order of Court admitting petitioner". It states that my GGF is hereby admitted as a citizen of the USA on MM/DD/YYYY. Does that section exist on your GGF's petition?
Regarding pre-1906 naturalizations, I have a more distant ancestor who naturalized in New Jersey in 1904 but his certificate was not issued properly and was considered invalid...so he had to have a new certificate issued in 1908 which was formatted according to the 1906 regulations. They gave him the same date in 1904 as his official naturalization date. Perhaps your GGF had a similar situation?
I posed the question to ICA as well, but expect the response, this proves he naturalized and we are proceeding as planned with the 1948 case.
Re: Petition for Naturalization found, but no Certificate???
ICA just responded noting that this is enough evidence to prove he naturalized and gave his oath of allegiance at a local court. So we will proceed as planned with the 1948 case.
Re: Petition for Naturalization found, but no Certificate???
A 1948 case is probably the quickest route to recognition these days anyway. And the courts are a lot more flexible than consular officers.afecad wrote: 03 Feb 2022, 18:02 ICA just responded noting that this is enough evidence to prove he naturalized and gave his oath of allegiance at a local court. So we will proceed as planned with the 1948 case.
Re: Petition for Naturalization found, but no Certificate???
Perhaps? I think the quoted time 2-3 years, is about right just not too clear on the new law with court location and judges who never likely were involved in these cases.qualdom wrote: 03 Feb 2022, 21:52
A 1948 case is probably the quickest route to recognition these days anyway. And the courts are a lot more flexible than consular officers.
Can't complain, a friend in the family recently obtained Greek citizenship, took 8 years.

