RE:DEATH RECORDS SEARCH IN REGGIO DI CALABRIA

[mezzogiorno62]

paolo labate (antonino labate & grazia ieraca) was born in 1827 and wife fortunata labate (paolo labate & maria politano) was born in 1836. both in reggio calabria. they married there in 1859 and died sometime after 1872 as son orazio was born that year. the question is when? they would have been 45 and 36 in 1872 so could have lived well past 1900. i checked death indexes from 1875 to 1895 and found nothing so either i missed their possible deaths in these years and indexes or they died after 1895. they could have died well after 1895 and even well into the early 1900s. since there are no 10 year indexes after 1895 and searching another 20 or 30 possible years in such a large comune as reggio di calabria is virtually impossible are there any possible shortcuts to narrowing down the time period search? any help or suggestions appreciated.

[AngelaGrace56]

paolo labate (antonino labate & grazia ieraca) was born in 1827 and wife fortunata labate (paolo labate & maria politano) was born in 1836. both in reggio calabria. they married there in 1859 and died sometime after 1872 as son orazio was born that year. the question is when? they would have been 45 and 36 in 1872 so could have lived well past 1900. i checked death indexes from 1875 to 1895 and found nothing so either i missed their possible deaths in these years and indexes or they died after 1895. they could have died well after 1895 and even well into the early 1900s. since there are no 10 year indexes after 1895 and searching another 20 or 30 possible years in such a large comune as reggio di calabria is virtually impossible are there any possible shortcuts to narrowing down the time period search? any help or suggestions appreciated.

Hello

Deaths Reggio di Calabria 10 year index 1916-1925 are here: https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12 ... 46/58zkxBb

Your “Labate” name is here (in case you have others you are looking for): https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12 ... 46/wlaV9GW

(I don’t see your Paolo Labate or wife Fortunata Labate there but do recheck.)

Angela

[mezzogiorno62]

thanks. i just found fortunata labate wife of paolo. died in 1906 and looks like paolo survived her. as he was close to 80 in 1906 he probably died within the next 10 years. i just checked the index link you sent. alphabetical order and easy to read. no death for paolo. as he was born in 1827 he most certainly would be in this index. must have died between 1906 and 1916. by 1916 he would have been close to 90. wish the years 1907-1915 were indexed. this subject is my very last search for now.

[AngelaGrace56]

thanks. i just found fortunata labate wife of paolo. died in 1906 and looks like paolo survived her. as he was close to 80 in 1906 he probably died within the next 10 years. i just checked the index link you sent. alphabetical order and easy to read. no death for paolo. as he was born in 1827 he most certainly would be in this index. must have died between 1906 and 1916. by 1916 he would have been close to 90. wish the years 1907-1915 were indexed. this subject is my very last search for now.

Maybe? The name of the mother differs with what you have said. It is not Maria Politano but Maria Pellicane in the record, which is interesting? Death Records are always the least accurate of course.
https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12 ... 52/w9WnkGQ

Glad you are finding those ten year indices easy to read. I thought they were pretty great too.

Angela

[mezzogiorno62]

somehow the surname politano gets misspelled and confused with pellicane. but i believe this is her. everything else matches. as i've found the death records are the least accurate of all. first off someone else is reporting the death and not usually a family member. births are the most accurate followed by marriage. if i can't find the birth record of a subject the best guess as to their approximate birth date is the marriage. next would be the age they give at the birth of a child. the last and least reliable is the death record. you sent me a link for reggio calabria records starting after 1910 i believe. the page i was on ends in 1910 skips to 1919 and ends there. i checked the years immediately after fortunata's death in 1906. some had no index and i continued up to 1910 when it ends. and these are very possibly the years paolo died in. the missing index years. all i can do is continue with 1911-1915. i think the link you sent continues from 1911 on if i remember correctly. could you resend that link? thanks for all your help.

[AngelaGrace56]

... You sent me a link for reggio calabria records starting after 1910 i believe. the page i was on ends in 1910 skips to 1919 and ends there. i checked the years immediately after fortunata's death in 1906. some had no index and i continued up to 1910 when it ends. and these are very possibly the years paolo died in. the missing index years. all i can do is continue with 1911-1915. i think the link you sent continues from 1911 on if i remember correctly. could you resend that link? thanks for all your help.

Yes, correct. Your related thread is here if you want to revisit it: https://www.italiangenealogy.com/forum/ ... rds#p34660

This is the relative information from it here:

“For Post 1910 Deaths Go to https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/search- ... ss%3AMorti

Just click on "Espandi (25): on the bottom left of the page and all the years up to 1843 will come up for you to click on the year you need. I think you were having issues because you had clicked on "Reggio Calabria" which does exactly what you have said, stops at 1910 and has one entry for 1919. The link I have posted here for "Reggio di Calabria" should give you access to all those later records up to 1943 for when you need them. All the best with this."

Angela”

[mezzogiorno62]

i checked the years 1911 to 1915 as well and found nothing. i may have missed possible entries for paolo labate but not likely as the writing is pretty clear. the 1907-1910 period was missing some indexes. could have been one of those years. no idea why many of these yearly indexes are listed as "segnatura attuale" no idea what this is. some kind of supplement? i checked several of these "segnatura attuale" as well for each year 1911-1915. as i said, as paolo survived wife fortunata, who died in 1906, and he was close to 80 then, and he's not in the 1916-1925 index, 1907-1915 would be the most likely time period of his death. making him into his 80s a long life for that time. so i've covered all likely years from 1907 to 1915. frustrating as paolo labate is my last search.

[mezzogiorno62]

NOTE:it appears the paolo labate noted as no.37 in the 1913 death register is not the subject i'm looking for. i've checked all indexed years s from 1907 through 1915 and the only ones not indexed are 1907 and 1909. unfortunately paolo labate probably died in one of those unindexed years. if only there was some way to access indexes for those years.

[AngelaGrace56]

NOTE:it appears the paolo labate noted as no.37 in the 1913 death register is not the subject i'm looking for. Absolutely. It is clearly not your Paolo Labate. I included the record that I had found for you, in response to your pm, as you had been unable to find it, so that you could see for yourself that it wasn't referring to your Paolo Labate. i've checked all indexed years s from 1907 through 1915 and the only ones not indexed are 1907 and 1909. unfortunately paolo labate probably died in one of those unindexed years. if only there was some way to access indexes for those years.

Yesterday, I searched through the 1907 and 1909 records, page by page, and did not locate a record for your Paolo Labate, so he didn't die in those years, unless I missed it, which I doubt, but sometimes if I'm using my external mouse it skips a page. I tried to stick to my pad when searching yesterday.

My thinking is that perhaps there is an error on his wife’s death record and instead of writing “widow of Paolo Labate” they have written “wife of Paolo Labate” so possibly he had already died. We have both already agreed that Death Records are the least accurate and reliable civil records. I’ve searched all the available indices post 1906, the year his wife died, and also the available and relevant indices prior to 1906, looking for Paolo Labate’s death record. I didn’t see any indices for the years 1900, 1902, 1904, 1905, so those years remain unresearched. I know that it is time consuming searching page by page but sometimes it has to be done. I searched those two years yesterday and just chipped away at it. I marked the point I was up to, and took breaks. Sorry I can't be of any more help with this.

Best to you.
Angela

[mezzogiorno62]

thanks very much for all your time and effort! it does appear in fortunata's 1906 death entry that he survived her,which led me to believe he died between 1907 and 1915, as he's not in the 1916-1925 index. he's not in the 1876-1885 or 1886-1895 indexes either and that only leaves 1896-1906. i was about to chip away at the 1907 and 1909 records before your kind efforts. maybe i'll take a few days to try and work the 1899 to 1905 records. just rechecked 1896,1897,and 1898. indexes but nothing. 1899 like 1900,1902,1904,and 1905 no indexes. chipping away at these massive yearly records without indexes is extremely time consuming. the missing paolo labate. mystery of the ages.