birth act help pls

[dmt1955]

https://postimg.cc/image/kv4s2pcgn/

the 2 questions I have are:
1. mother's name (5th line) - Elisa Ober???

2. husband's surname (6th line)- Carlo Will???

thanks so much
donna

[AngelaGrace56]

Hi Donna

These records for Ariano di Puglia (Ariano Irpino) are online. Here's the birth record that you posted at the following link:

http://dl.antenati.san.beniculturali.it ... ewsIndex=0


I don't exactly know what the names are. The father's surname looks like Wilhi and the mother's, not sure, possibly Orberhi. I looked at various indices and found no evidence of either of these names there, nor anything remotely like them. Hopefully someone else can help.

Angela

[dmt1955]

thanks for your thoughts, angela. i was also wondering if it was an 'h' . the names are not Arianese. to me there is more of a german flavor.

yes, i am aware the records are now all online - SO much easier to read the digital records than the microfilms!!

thanks again,
donna

[AngelaGrace56]

thanks for your thoughts, angela. i was also wondering if it was an 'h' . the names are not Arianese. to me there is more of a german flavor.

yes, i am aware the records are now all online - SO much easier to read the digital records than the microfilms!!

thanks again,
donna

Yes, I could see that it wasn't an Arianese name. Like you, I also wondered whether it may be German or even Hebrew? It seemed odd though that the child's mother and father both had Italian given names as did their respective fathers? I have seen the name Wilhi on both Ancestry and Family Search but not connected with Italian records - mainly the US and the UK. The name Oberhi is a mystery but it is quite possible that the person who declared the birth didn't know how to spell the name and the clerk just wrote it down phonetically, as often was the case.

Are these people in your history or is this part of the indexing project you are involved in?

Angela

[erudita74]

This morning I wrote a reply to this post and then deleted it because when I looked again at the record, I noticed that there was the letter "r" written after the O in the record, which Donna had omitted in her post. I had found the surname Obertis for two passengers from Pescopagano in Potenza Province. This surname is also found in the current Italian white pages, but one listing is in Naples and the other in another province. The surname Oberti also exists in Italy, so possibly these surnames were derived from the original spelling.

Erudita

[mmogno]

....Yes, I could see that it wasn't an Arianese name. Like you, I also wondered whether it may be German or even Hebrew? It seemed odd though that the child's mother and father both had Italian given names as did their respective fathers? I have seen the name Wilhi on both Ancestry and Family Search but not connected with Italian records - mainly the US and the UK. The name Oberhi is a mystery but it is quite possible that the person who declared the birth didn't know how to spell the name and the clerk just wrote it down phonetically, as often was the case.

Angela

Può darsi che la spiegazione stia nel fatto che Ariano è adiacente a Greci, paese in cui c'è un'antica comunità arbreshe (italo-albanese).
https://hirpusmephitis.wordpress.com/20 ... -arbreshe/
https://ita.calameo.com/books/000294101e34aca5c343d

[dmt1955]

I thank each for you for your help in this. Your efforts and resources are a continued source of education and 'aha' moments for me.

Angela, this is for my database not my ancestry -- thanks for remembering.

I am most appreciative,
Donna

[AngelaGrace56]

I thank each for you for your help in this. Your efforts and resources are a continued source of education and 'aha' moments for me.

Angela, this is for my database not my ancestry -- thanks for remembering.

I am most appreciative,
Donna

Ciao Donna

You are always so welcome. I've always enjoyed helping with your records, especially the more challenging ones, and especially engaging in the discussion that has so often followed. I've learned so much from your records.

Your database is looking really good – a great resource for other genealogists from your town. I've made a start on indexing my two towns as well, but I'm not as disciplined as you are.

Take care.
Angela

[AngelaGrace56]

....Yes, I could see that it wasn't an Arianese name. Like you, I also wondered whether it may be German or even Hebrew? It seemed odd though that the child's mother and father both had Italian given names as did their respective fathers? I have seen the name Wilhi on both Ancestry and Family Search but not connected with Italian records - mainly the US and the UK. The name Oberhi is a mystery but it is quite possible that the person who declared the birth didn't know how to spell the name and the clerk just wrote it down phonetically, as often was the case.

Angela

Può darsi che la spiegazione stia nel fatto che Ariano è adiacente a Greci, paese in cui c'è un'antica comunità arbreshe (italo-albanese).
https://hirpusmephitis.wordpress.com/20 ... -arbreshe/
https://ita.calameo.com/books/000294101e34aca5c343d

Ciao mmogno

I understand that you are saying:

"It may be that the explaination lies in the fact Ariano is adjacent to Greci, a town in which there is an ancient Arbresche (Italian/Albanian) community."

but I'm not understanding how it relates to my comment here? Can you explain?

Grazie
Angela

[mmogno]

....Yes, I could see that it wasn't an Arianese name. Like you, I also wondered whether it may be German or even Hebrew? It seemed odd though that the child's mother and father both had Italian given names as did their respective fathers? I have seen the name Wilhi on both Ancestry and Family Search but not connected with Italian records - mainly the US and the UK. The name Oberhi is a mystery but it is quite possible that the person who declared the birth didn't know how to spell the name and the clerk just wrote it down phonetically, as often was the case.

Angela

Può darsi che la spiegazione stia nel fatto che Ariano è adiacente a Greci, paese in cui c'è un'antica comunità arbreshe (italo-albanese).
https://hirpusmephitis.wordpress.com/20 ... -arbreshe/
https://ita.calameo.com/books/000294101e34aca5c343d

Ciao mmogno

I understand that you are saying:

"It may be that the explaination lies in the fact Ariano is adjacent to Greci, a town in which there is an ancient Arbresche (Italian/Albanian) community."

but I'm not understanding how it relates to my comment here? Can you explain?

Grazie
Angela

@Angela
Forse donna Elisa Orberkj??? e don Carlo Wilkj??? appartenevano a questa comunità arbreshe.

Giorgio

[AngelaGrace56]

Può darsi che la spiegazione stia nel fatto che Ariano è adiacente a Greci, paese in cui c'è un'antica comunità arbreshe (italo-albanese).
https://hirpusmephitis.wordpress.com/20 ... -arbreshe/
https://ita.calameo.com/books/000294101e34aca5c343d

Ciao mmogno

I understand that you are saying:

"It may be that the explaination lies in the fact Ariano is adjacent to Greci, a town in which there is an ancient Arbresche (Italian/Albanian) community."

but I'm not understanding how it relates to my comment here? Can you explain?

Grazie
Angela

@Angela
Forse donna Elisa Orberkj??? e don Carlo Wilkj??? appartenevano a questa comunità arbreshe.

Giorgio

Capisco. Grazie per la risposta, Giorgio.

(È bello sapere il tuo nome, dopo tanto tempo. Grazie.)

I did take a quick look at some indices in the town of Greci but nothing there. Maybe these names will come again at a later stage and further research can be done then.

Angela