Are the 1930 Census Children Listed Real or Not

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Are the 1930 Census Children Listed Real or Not

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In the 1930 Census- Lines 95-100, the Scrivano's have two children ages 5 and 9, and are living with the Pergola's. The Scrivano and Pergola wives are sisters – Maria Cerami-Scrivano and Epifania Cerami-Pergola. They are my wife's aunts, sisters of her father. According to my wife, the Scrivano's had no children (she did not know the Pergola's because the wife died in 1932, 15 years before my wife was born).
The 1940 census ( Lines 12-16) seems to confirm what my wife said about the Scrivano's having no children. Same address as 1930, the 1930 Census children would have been 15 and 19, but no children are listed.

1930 Census - https://i.postimg.cc/VvqLbB7f/Scrivano- ... Census.jpg

1940 Census - https://i.postimg.cc/MHM7hY7m/Scrivano-1940-Census.jpg

So are the children in the 1930 Census real? If yes, who did they belong to and where did they go?

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1930 link doesn't work
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Here is the 1930 census link:

https://i.postimg.cc/vHBq2F5V/Scrivano- ... Census.jpg

I test these links out before I post them. The old link had been working. Don't know why this sometimes occurs.
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I have located a 1925 NY Census for the Scrivano and Pergola families.
They are residing in Brooklyn at 863 45th St. with the Cerami families.
Looks like Leonard Cerami (age 62) may be the father of Maria Scrivano and Fanny Pergola.
His wife, age 60, and extended family resides with him.
Looking at the children who were born in US to Leonard's son Angelo Cerami and his wife Lena, there is a good possibility the children residing with the Scrivano family in the 1930 US Census belong to them.

Keeping in mind the fact that the Depression had begun, maybe the the Aunt and Uncle took in two of the children to support at this time. It was not uncommon.

Here is the 1925 NY Census - look to the right side.
NOTE: Michael Scrivano is listed as "Tony" on this Census. He is also listed as Tony on the 1920 Census. In all three census documents he is a "cutter" of underwear.

https://i.postimg.cc/CK5MBSsk/Cerami-Census-1925.jpg

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https://www.ancestry.com/interactive/27 ... 1558122696

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I am aware of the 1925 census and have it on my family tree. Leonardo and Gaetana Cerami on that census are my wife's grandparents and the parents of Maria Cerami-Scrivano and Epifania Cermai Pergola, my wife's aunts. Scrivano was always known as "Tony" to the family, his given name is Amadeo per his Alimena birth record, and on other records, Micheal or Mike. His naturalization record shows him as "Amadeo Scrivano (known as Mike Scrivano)". The 1925 census address is different than the 1930 and 1940 common census address and therefore the 1925 census has no bearing on the children listed in the 1930 census, but missing from the 1940 census at that common address for 1930 and 1940. Yes, Tony/Mike Scrivano was a "cutter". 1925 was part of the Roaring 20s. The Great Depression began after the 1929 stock market crash. The Cerami family lived in multi-family houses for decades, but did move around.
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rp76226 wrote: 13 May 2020, 22:09 I am aware of the 1925 census and have it on my family tree. Leonardo and Gaetana Cerami on that census are my wife's grandparents and the parents of Maria Cerami-Scrivano and Epifania Cermai Pergola, my wife's aunts. Scrivano was always known as "Tony" to the family, his given name is Amadeo per his Alimena birth record, and on other records, Micheal or Mike. His naturalization record shows him as "Amadeo Scrivano (known as Mike Scrivano)". The 1925 census address is different than the 1930 and 1940 common census address and therefore the 1925 census has no bearing on the children listed in the 1930 census, but missing from the 1940 census at that common address for 1930 and 1940. Yes, Tony/Mike Scrivano was a "cutter". 1925 was part of the Roaring 20s. The Great Depression began after the 1929 stock market crash. The Cerami family lived in multi-family houses for decades, but did move around.
Which is why I suggested that in 1930, the Scrivano's may have taken in the children.

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Taken in the children from who? Vincent and Anna are not children from any other family that I am aware of. While there is an Anna Cerami in 1925, her age in 1930 would have been 12, not 5, so it cannot be the same person.
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