VENTO Family - Lercara Friddi, Sicily

[suanj]

Most of this info appears to be correct realtive to my grandparents with one exception. I do not believe my grandmother, Maria (Mary) ever visited or lived in US before 1910. As for their children Domenica ("Marge") was not born in the US (manafest stated my grandparents and Aunt Marge where Italian citizens. ) The odd (strange) issue is relative to my "Uncle John" (Giovanni) The ship's manafest states his citizenship to be US. His name at the time was Giovanni Placa Vento. I have little to no info relative to my grandmother's family. I know she had many brothers & sisters. There is a listing of a Placa that died shortly before my grandparents immigrated and a record of my granfather visting the US about a year before, possibly to pick up my "uncle John". In the good old days, brothers or sisters took their dead siblings children and raised them as their own. He was the only "child" of my grandparents children (of 11, possibly 12) that carried my grandmother's maiden name., Placa.

here are the 1930 census your Vento family in California > Los Angeles > Belvedere > District 816:

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Giuseppe and Mary , as immigration year is listed 1902 and John(Giovanni) father of Giuseppe also immigrated in 1902.... widow and 78 old... and about Zagona surname the correct spelling is ZAGONE

More:
Mariano Vento brother of Giuseppe, came in first time in 1905, age 15, port of departure Sao Paulo Brasil, joining Giuseppe brother in Geneseo, NY

http://ellisisland.org/search/shipmanif ... 2484080479

and this is the draft board of Mariano in Cayuga, NY
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in 1920 Mariano again was living in New York > Cayuga > Auburn Ward 8 > District 16

Name: Mariano Vento
Age: 29 years
Estimated birth year: abt 1891
Birthplace: Italy
Race: White
Home in 1920: Auburn Ward 8, Cayuga, New York
Sex: Male
Marital status: Married
Relation to Head of House: Boarder
Year of immigration: 1913 (because this members family many travel back in Italy second my opinion)
Able to read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes
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the death record:
Name: VENTO, MARIANO Social Security #: 548381043
Sex: MALE
Birth Date: 19 May 1890
Birthplace: OTHER COUNTRY
Death Date: 15 Dec 1946
Death Place: LOS ANGELES
Mother's Maiden Name: ZAONA
Father's Surname: VENTO




About Giuseppe, I think that this is the draft board, as you know, was born in 4 Nov. 1881 in Lercara Friddi
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suanj

[lady4law]

I think Marge (Domenica) was born in Sao Paulo. Mom told me, some sibings were born and/or died in Sao Paulo.

I spoke with St Mary's Church (Geneseo) and was informed of all siblings baptismal dates. However there is no records for Marge, John, or another sibling Luguia (Louisa). I know my mother was the second "Louise". There was also 2 boys named Michealangelo, both died around 3.

When I started my research, I discovered Italians named the 1st son after the husband father, the second after the wife's father (same with the girls). This is correct with "Giovanni" as that was my GF's dad's name.
Domenica (marge) his mom's name.

Luguia was my GM's mom's name. After their 2nd daughter died, they used the name again on my mom (3rd daughter)
Hpwever the strange part of this is the used of Michael angelo (2x)
He was their second son and after his death they used the name again.
This would mean my GM's father was " Michealangelo", but GM's death certificate says it was "Giovanni" as my GF's father.

DId you follow that, it's a little confusing. It seems half of all males in the family are named Giovanni/John or Guiseppe/Joe. It's made research a real problem.

My grandparents did live on COurt Street, stated on my mom's Birth certificate, but then I think there was a number of Ventos that lived at that address. (It is now a "Dorm" so must have been a hugh house...maybe a boarding house) Thank you all for your help. I am planning to move to Italy next year and would love to locate family,

[suanj]

I think Marge (Domenica) was born in Sao Paulo. Mom told me, some sibings were born and/or died in Sao Paulo.

In 1930 census is that marge born in NY, as the siblings.

I spoke with St Mary's Church (Geneseo) and was informed of all siblings baptismal dates. However there is no records for Marge, John, or another sibling Luguia (Louisa). I know my mother was the second "Louise". There was also 2 boys named Michealangelo, both died around 3.

this is an problem...

When I started my research, I discovered Italians named the 1st son after the husband father, the second after the wife's father (same with the girls). This is correct with "Giovanni" as that was my GF's dad's name.
Domenica (marge) his mom's name.

yes this is truth, but are some xeceptions...

Luguia was my GM's mom's name. After their 2nd daughter died, they used the name again on my mom (3rd daughter)
Hpwever the strange part of this is the used of Michael angelo (2x)
He was their second son and after his death they used the name again.
This would mean my GM's father was " Michealangelo", but GM's death certificate says it was "Giovanni" as my GF's father.

It is an italian use to call the next children as the died children in the family, so as for Luigia and Michelangelo

DId you follow that, it's a little confusing. It seems half of all males in the family are named Giovanni/John or Guiseppe/Joe. It's made research a real problem.

No, no confusing, ... why confusing? this are the sure data on USA documents, and this are the names on the censuses and ship's manifest... if you think that this data are confusing, you can find the better data...


suanj

[placca]

Hi !
I'm Francesco Placca´s grandson. Francesco was Maria Placca´s brother.
I´m to make the Placca´s family tree.
I lived in Brazil, Rio de Janeiro.
Please, contact me.
Best regards !
José Avelino Placca

[lady4law]

Hi Jose

Thank you for responding. I have little information on my grandmother and the Placas. I don't recall ever meeting any family but believed they lived in Brazil.

Her California death certificate states:
Mary Vento (Maiden name Placa)
Birth:May 24, 1883 Venice Italy,
Death: Feb 21, 1965 (81) Los Angeles County, California, USA
Parents: John & Louise Placca. (Giovanni & "Luigia" Placa)
(All their names had been translated into English)
(there is no maiden name for Maria's mother)

I have tried to locate a birth &/or baptismal certificates, but no luck.
Church records contain a lot of information, (i.e. names of her parents, brothers and sisters.) Maria was baptised in Saint Marc's (Venice, Italy) but St Marc's cannot any records. They believe there is an error in her date of birth or spelling of her name.

Grandma & grandpa (Guiseppe Vento) had at least 11 children (2 boys & one girl died as infants).

Do you have the correct spellings of grandma's parents & any information on her brothers, & sisters? They maybe Placca still living in Sao Paolo.

Please contact me: lady4law@yahoo.com and we can share our information.

Thank you, "Cousin Jean" Los Angeles, USA

[lady4law]

mfjp

Respinding to your message Tue Dec 06, 2005 4:15 pm
"According to this manifest, Maria was in the USA for 8 years, and Giuseppe was there for 9..."

I have reviewed the ship's manifest dated Apr 19, 1910 and it stated Maria and Guiseppe are Italian citizens and their country or residence is Brazil (Sao Paolo.) I guess that puts me back to square one.

Thanks Jean
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[lady4law]

suanj

I haven't located a 1910 cenus, But I beleive the due date for the cenus was April 15 and my grandparents didn't arrive until the 19th of APril. I did see a 1920 cenus a while back but was unable to download a copy. My grandparents were living in LA at that time. I believe they were still listed as Italian citizens.

There are so many links to search, but I still have almost nothing. (I did discovered an "unknown" brother of my grandfather. No one knew about him, but as SS, and a number of other places, list his parents and they are the same as my grandfathers...he must be his brother. (My G-GM died in child brith so this may have been the child she gave birth to.)

Thanks for the help, Jean

[mfjp]

suanj

I haven't located a 1910 cenus, But I beleive the due date for the cenus was April 15 and my grandparents didn't arrive until the 19th of APril. I did see a 1920 cenus a while back but was unable to download a copy. My grandparents were living in LA at that time. I believe they were still listed as Italian citizens.

almost... They arrived on the 19th... and 1910 census record is dated April 20... the next day!

Hi...

The ships record is dated Apr 19, 1910, and the census record is dated... April 20 1910....

The census record that was posted earlier... is it correct?

What's confusing me is the the name Domenica on the boat record... who then becomes a Margaret the next day on the census record and is now a 2 year old...

According to the census record, they applied for their first papers... if that is a "PA" I am reading...

(Na=Naturalized, Pa=First Papers, Al=Alien)

http://www.immigration-records.com/natu ... ecords.asp

mfjp

suanj had located a 1910 census on page one of this post, which I linked as well....?

here it is again.... living on Court Street... just wondering how they had a home to live in so fast... since they weren't living as boarders with anyone...

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Name: Joe Vento
Age in 1910: 29
Estimated birth year: abt 1881
Home in 1910: Geneseo, Livingston, New York
District 44...
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mfjp

[suanj]

suanj

I haven't located a 1910 cenus, But I beleive the due date for the cenus was April 15 and my grandparents didn't arrive until the 19th of APril. I did see a 1920 cenus a while back but was unable to download a copy. My grandparents were living in LA at that time. I believe they were still listed as Italian citizens.

There are so many links to search, but I still have almost nothing. (I did discovered an "unknown" brother of my grandfather. No one knew about him, but as SS, and a number of other places, list his parents and they are the same as my grandfathers...he must be his brother. (My G-GM died in child brith so this may have been the child she gave birth to.)

Thanks for the help, Jean

the 1910 census date is 25 April 1910:
please see
regards, suanj

[mfjp]

8O You are right! Time for an eye exam.... 8O

mfjp

[doroteia]

Thanks mfjp

My grandfather is not on the above list:
Grandpa's information:
Guiseppe Vento, son of Giovanni Vento and Dominica Zagona.
Born Lercera Friddi, 4 novembre 1881 (The Ship - Byron)
Immigrated to US (Ellis Island) April 1910
Died: 4 Jan 1971 Monterey Park, California
Spouse: Maria Placa Vento Born: May 24, 1883 Venice Italy

this travel was not the first travel, because the Giovanni age 4 and Domenica age 1, children of Giuseppe and Maria, well on ship's manifest are that was US born...
so Giuseppe and Maria was in USA in 1903 ... could be interesting to see the 1903 record....
http://ellisisland.org/search/shipManif ... 0009%2ETIF
regards, suanj

Maria's sister's name was Seraphina. Seraphina is (was) my mother`s grandma. Story goes that Giuseppe arrived in SP but did not adapt to the hot weather and sailed up to the USA returning some time later to take Maria and return back to the USA. Her sister Seraphina was then pregnant. The two sisters never saw each other again, except for a phone call some time later when the baby (Angelo - my grandfather) had already been born. Seraphina was so anxious and touched by the call that could not say a word and fainted. That was the last time the sisters talked. Years later a cousin of my mother started corresponding to Dorothea M. (Maria`s granddaughter) and to make long story short I continued. In 1997, I visited Dorother M. and her lovely family. I visited some relatives (including Ned V.) and had the pleasure to meer Marge and sisters (even have a photo with them). I am from Brazil and grew up listening to stories from the sisters and the immigrationg and all the stuff. My mom might have more accurate information about names and people (I even remember having heard about Luiza).