Lise: Surname of g g grandfather and missing g grandfather.

[Marcialise]

I have a query about my paternal sides' family roots. I totally confused with my great great grandfather's surname and the missing person - William Lise I


I once had access to the American Census 1930 and found my great great grandfather, according to my father, called Attilio Lise. I looked at this Census and it says "Attilio Lise". He immigrated to New York, New Rochelle in 1884. He was born around 1862 in Italy (1930 Census and Ellis Island). My father has told me that Attilio Lise made 3 round trips from Italy to America. The problem is on the Census it says Attilio Toia and then there's Josephine Lise (it says this is his daughter, not sure if this is daughter in law?), born in 08 Sep 1894 (Social Security Death Index and 1930 Census matches) and died in Jan 1974 (according to Social Security Death Index). There is no trace of Josephine Lise's husband (apparently called William Lise I ). According to what my father, he left the family permanently (don't know why). So maybe his records might be in the 1900 or 1910 records (I don't have access to these).

Summary

Attilio Toia (my great great grandfather)
Born in 1862 in Italy (there is a rumor that he was from Como)
Immigrated to New Rochelle in 1862 (1930 Census) but travelled to and from Italy 3 times in total)
Arrived in New York on March 16, 1896 (Ellis Island) with no other family members


Josephine Lise (my great grandmother, "daughter of Attilio Toia"?)
Born in 08 Sep 1894, NY or ITALY (Census 1930 and Social Security Death Index)
Died in Jan 1974 (Social Security Death Index)


Kids of Josephine Lise

William II (my grandfather)
Born in 13 May 1913, NY. Died in Jun 1970 (Social Security Death Index and 1930 Census)

Maria
Born in 1914-6 in NY (1930 Census)

Reta
Born in 1916-8 in NY (1930 Census)

Louis
Born in 28 May 1920 in NY. Died in May 1978 (Social Security Death Index and 1930 Census)



William II married Mary Paduano and William III was born (only child) - this is my father.


Do you think I should go to the birth certificate of William Lise II (my grandfather) to check out his parents to confirm name of William Lise I? I don't know where to start.. Maybe I should check with New Rochelle City Clerk about birth cirtificates. It's difficult doing this but I think I will give them a ring as soon as it's 9:00 am in NY.

Here isLISE FAMILY TREE (it's in PDF format). I've been working on this about 3 months.. There's a lot of missing information. I don't know any of my family members in America.. this is such a pity. I don't know if my family was baptised or anything.

I would be grateful for any information.

Marcia

[wldspirit]

Series: T625 Roll: 1277 Page: 213


Surname GivenName Age Sex Race Birthplace State County Location Year

TOIA ATTELIO 58 M W ITAL NY WESTCHESTER 2-WD NEW ROCHELLE 1920


Attelio a/58 and naturalized
Mary a/51 wife and naturalized
Josephine Lise a/25 daughter married
William a/7 son
Maria a/5 daughter
Reta a/2 and a half
Celestina a/23 daughter single

All of the above born in New York with exception of parents.........
wldspirit

[Marcialise]

Series: T625 Roll: 1277 Page: 213


Surname GivenName Age Sex Race Birthplace State County Location Year

TOIA ATTELIO 58 M W ITAL NY WESTCHESTER 2-WD NEW ROCHELLE 1920


Attelio a/58 and naturalized
Mary a/51 wife and naturalized
Josephine Lise a/25 daughter married
William a/7 son
Maria a/5 daughter
Reta a/2 and a half
Celestina a/23 daughter single

All of the above born in New York with exception of parents.........
wldspirit

Wow thank you sooo much wldspirit!

I'm not familiar with "Series: T625 Roll: 1277 Page: 213 " - is this from a special record?

So in fact, Attelio (Attilio) is the real father of Josephine. So Josephine must have had a husband called xxx Lise but haven't located that info. I'm glad I untangled the mystery!

[wldspirit]

Series: T624 Roll: 1091 Page: 298


Surname GivenName Age Sex Race Birthplace State County Location Year

TOI ATTILIO 49 M W ITAL NY WESTCHESTER 4-WD NEW ROCHELLE 1910


This confirms it:

Attilio a/49 married/20 years immigration/1882 naturalized job/watchman at park

Maria a/40 married/20years immigration/1890 is not naturalized gave birth to 5 children....2 living

Josephine daughter a/16 born in New York
Celestina daughter a/14 born in New York

Perhaps someone can link the census.......I have tried using imageshack as suggested by Mfjp....but can't get it to work.......
Not aware of any special series........
wldspirit

[Marcialise]

Series: T624 Roll: 1091 Page: 298


Surname GivenName Age Sex Race Birthplace State County Location Year

TOI ATTILIO 49 M W ITAL NY WESTCHESTER 4-WD NEW ROCHELLE 1910


This confirms it:

Attilio a/49 married/20 years immigration/1882 naturalized job/watchman at park

Maria a/40 married/20years immigration/1890 is not naturalized gave birth to 5 children....2 living

Josephine daughter a/16 born in New York
Celestina daughter a/14 born in New York

Perhaps someone can link the census.......I have tried using imageshack as suggested by Mfjp....but can't get it to work.......
Not aware of any special series........
wldspirit

Right.. okay, I'm going to sort out the data I have at the moment.
There isn't anything in between 1910 and 1920 is there?

[VaDeb]

Hope this works. 1920 census Wildspirit found:

http://img91.echo.cx/img91/3430/1920ny3zo.jpg

[wldspirit]

Thanks Deb..........how'd you do that? Are you using imageshack?......cause I can't get it to work!!!
Self taught computer guru here.........
wldspirit

[Marcialise]

Hope this works. 1920 census Wildspirit found:

http://img91.echo.cx/img91/3430/1920ny3zo.jpg

Thank you very much for your help with this! I appreciate it. Thank you.

[VaDeb]

1910 Census:

http://img99.echo.cx/img99/7739/1910atillio6lh.jpg

[VaDeb]

Yes, I am using image shack and directions maria posted awhile ago.

[wldspirit]

I must be doing something wrong....although I followed Mfjp's directions.......hmmmm............thanks again........it really is much nicer to see the info for yourself.........
wldspirit

[VaDeb]

1930 Census:

http://img71.echo.cx/img71/1541/1930ny1bg.jpg

Debbie

[Marcialise]

So if I take a look at my gr gr grandparent's naturalization records I'd be able to find their place of birth.

Is this where I need to go?: http://www.archives.gov/northeast/nyc/new_york.html

Do any of you know if there is anything online I could check for naturalization records?

[mfjp]

Not sure if you were able to view this manifest as it is an Ellis mis-link... though I am aware that you know it exists...

Created a link using Image Shack! Nice to see Debbie use it... it can be quite handy... Wldspirit... I will send you a PM..

First Name: Attilio
Last Name: Toia
Ethnicity: Italy
Last Place of Residence:
Date of Arrival: March 16, 1896
Age at Arrival:  35y    Gender:  M    Marital Status:    
Ship of Travel: La Touraine
Port of Departure: Havre
Manifest Line Number: 0260

Passengers with the surname Radaella, Sgritta are from the Colico, Como area.

http://img62.echo.cx/img62/8910/toia18968jv.jpg

first page of the manifest shows you what ship line it is... and the dates...

http://img210.echo.cx/img210/9094/1896first6kd.jpg

mfjp

[Marcialise]

Passengers with the surname Radaella, Sgritta are from the Colico, Como area.

mfjp

Found

Toia Ines
23823 Colico (LC) - Via La Ca', 62
0341.940708

and lots and lots of Toia in Como area, I'm checking Varese as well.