Cannot decipher the profession

[erudita74]

Dated Sept 25, 1872 at 3 P.M.
Witnesses chosen by the declarants were:
Marco Caputo, son of deceased Fiore, age 29 (correction that it should say age 59), and Ferdinando Caputo, the son of of Marco, age 29, both town servants, strada Santa Maria

The first declarant, the prospective groom, Luciano Nanno, was of the Ave Gratia Plena of Napoli (both a parish and facility for abandoned or orphaned children in Naples), single, age 31 finished (he had already had his 31st birthday). He was a sensuale (broker or agent) who had lived from infancy in this town of Afragola on Vicolo III Municipio. He was the adult son of the Stabilmento dell’Annunziata of Napoli (facility for abandoned or orphaned children), marked with letters C-number 1373. This must have been a form of identification given to him when he was abandoned. Otherwise, I have no idea what the letter and numbers mean.

The second declarant, Celeste Moccia was the daughter of Pasquale, single, age 35 (not finished)-she had not yet reached her 35th birthday. She was a weaver, and the widow of Pasquale Balsamo, living in this town of Afragola on via Pigna. She was the adult daughter of Pasquale Moccia, a water carrier, and Angela Russo, a weaver, both living with their daughter.

The declarants were the ones who had the intention of being united in matrimony and, with this end in mind, produced the requested publications and all other documents that one finds with the register of the publications. The witnesses signed the document, but the spouses did not know how to write and did not.

Erudita

[stfrancis]

Thank you SO much, so I was missing the important details, very interesting...

...epecially since I tracked them, my great-grandmother, Celistina and her son (Raffaele) from 2nd marriage (Luciano Nannola) into NYC....I am now trying to confirm she died in NYC, but Im not quite there yet...

(Unfortunately I do not see Index for Afragola deaths, for the letter "M" (Moccia))

I see the weaver occupation often, is this interchangeable with seamstress, or garment-tailoring...etc....Im wondering if that is why my Grandfather was a tailor in NYC, and Montreal !


Thank you again

[erudita74]

Happy to help.
Erudita

[erudita74]

Have you seen the following:

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2WTX-P8J

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:271G-4TK

The death info for Celeste Moccia has me curious. I know her mother's name is way off in the entry but I have in my own ancestry a number of NYC death records which have the name of the mother of the deceased not even close to the actual name which appears in the Italian records, yet I can still verify that I have the correct person's record through other means. The other thing is that you would expect Celeste's married surname to appear on her NYC death record, yet I have the death record of one of my husband's great grandmothers who entered this country under her maiden or birth surname, even though she had been married and widowed twice in Sicily. Her two sons from the first marriage entered and lived in the U.S. under the surname of her first husband, who was their father. Her daughter from the second marriage entered the U.S. under the surname of the second husband, who was her father. None of the great grandmother's U.S. records, however, appear under either of her married surnames. So, since the father's first name is correct on the death record of the Celeste Moccia, and her age appears to be in the right ball park (I have her estimated as being born in 1839 based on her age in her marriage record, there is a possibility that if, she did die in NYC, the death info is hers. At any rate, it's something for you to consider and try to verify through some other U.S. record. Possibly there is even a copy of the U.S. death record in the town's registers, but you would have to contact the town directly to determine that, unless it appears with the microfilmed records. Offhand, I don't recall the years of the microfilmed death records.
Erudita

[erudita74]

you said above that you did not see deaths for the letter M in Afragola. Here is a link to the index starting with Moccia deaths in 1879. I started with that year, as I see that Celeste had a son named Raffaele Nannola born on May 29, 1879. (do you have all of the Nannola children from the birth indices???). So, if she had died there, it would have been after this son's birth. I quickly looked through those indices though and don't see death info for her.

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1 ... cat=974488

[stfrancis]

yes, we are on the same page !

Celestina had 3 children with her second husband (Luciano Nannola), they are Angelo (who dies right away), then Angelina, and then Raffaele, in the late 1870's,

Angelina, and Raffaele came to NY with other relatives, and Celestina came in 1905

Angelina married Savarese, and so that is the correct Celestina reference

The other reference might also be correct, event though as you say Celestina's mothers name doesnt match (Russo) - this document I have been considering to ask contact in NYC to verify visually the name spellings....

Raffaele used the name "Ralph Balsam" in NYC, where he was a barber, I lost track of him after 1940, he had several children also...

I researched them for several weeks before making sense of the family

As for Luciano, i also lost track of him in Italy ( he doesnt appear to have come to NY), i cannot find his death in the index, and it a very rare name, I assume since Celestina came over in 1905, and the children also, he probably died between 1880 and 1905

Very interesting and thanks you for your input

[stfrancis]

Edit previous post....


It is the AFTER 1909 Indici Morti for letter "M" which is missing, unless it is mixed up randomly inside other images....so she could be in this period...

and yes, she was born in 1940

thank you

[erudita74]

Yes, I see that the indici for the deaths are missing for the letter M after 1909. I was thinking that, if Celeste died in NY, there might be a copy of her death record which was transcribed in Part II of the registers. I started with Part II for 1910, since the Celeste Moccia who died in NY died in Oct of 1910, But her record is not in Part II of the 1910 death records. Then I checked 1911 and 1912 Part II, but no record there either. I then tried to do the records starting with Part II for 1913, but I can't seem to get those loaded properly. Anyway, going this route is just a thought. It's possible that the NY record was added to the town's register years after the actual event occurred. When all the images come up on the screen, look for a cover page, since you don't have indices to work from. Then you might find that the Part II records for a given year follow that page.
Erudita

[stfrancis]

yes, I understand, and I will work on that when I have more time, in the meantime I also have another idea, I will let you know the results next week...

thank you

[erudita74]

Here's an early Christmas present for you-birth record of Luciano Nannoli. Second page is missing from this group of records. I was hoping there might be death info for him in an annotation on this record, but no such luck.

http://www.antenati.san.beniculturali.i ... ewsIndex=0

The record is dated on Aug 3, 1841. He was abandoned at the wheel of the Stabilmento dell''Annunziata in Napoli yesterday at midnight and appeared to be 1 day old. He was baptized in the parish of Annunziata on the 3rd.

I forgot to mention that the letter and numbers we saw in his marriage record also appear in his birth record. They seem to be some kind of marking put on the neck of the infant. The abandoned infants whose records precede and follow his were all marked with the letter C, but their numbers are in consecutive order.

Erudita

[erudita74]

here's some clarifying info I found-

a medal made of lead was placed around the neck of the abandoned infant at the Stabilimento dell'Annunziata, after it was abandoned there on the wheel. On one side of the medal was an image of the Annunziata (the facility), and on the other side was a serial number and alphabetic letter of the register. So if you look at both Luciano's birth and marriage records, you have C #373. The 373 is the number of his birth record. Also I found that infants were normally only kept there for a few days after they were found, at which time they were then given over to external wetnurses (they had to be breastfed in those days). Normally those wetnurses were outside of the city of Naples.

https://books.google.com/books?id=w09u9 ... li&f=false

[stfrancis]

very interesting, thank you, good work

is there any old depiction or photos of that facility, im not sure if what I saw on the internet is the correct facility..?

[erudita74]

this should be the correct parish where the facility for abandoned children was

http://www.annunziatamaggiore.it/index.php?p=storia

http://www.annunziatamaggiore.it/index.php?p=storia1_it (photo of the wheel -la ruota-where infants were abandoned)

http://www.annunziatamaggiore.it/index.php?p=storia2_en (photo of Madonna del Repentiti which was on the one side of the medal put around the abandoned infant’s neck; the letter and numbers were on the reverse side

[stfrancis]

I see, very interesting design
I see the wheel is indeed a bit disturbing, gives a lot of context

I also see where "A G P" comes from, as I saw that in many indexes for Afragola records

Do you know if there are any "old" depictions, or history about my grandfather's family parish or church, I believe you determined was Santa Maria. I'm not sure yet of my GF was baptismal record ( I know its not referred to on his civil registration) , but I believe Pascal's & Celeste's marriage was celebrated there...


Thank you

[erudita74]

I can't find an official website for the parish of Santa Maria d'Ajello (with a j and not an i, if you search for the parish on the internet). I have found some info about the parish, but I'll be out most of the day, so I'll have to get back to you either late tonight or sometime over the weekend.

Erudita

BTW, I don't know if you can read all of the handwriting in Luciano's birth record. Here are some of the names, in case you can't read them and want the info-

Rosario Passante, the deputy or assistant official of the Mercato district of the town of Naples

Suor (Sister) Maria Egiziaca Esposito, age 33-the nun who made the presentation of the infant-she was a clerk at the institution, and she herself lived there. She too had probably been abandoned as an infant, as Esposito was, in the past, a common surname given to abandoned infants in that region.

Witnesses to the declaration and presentation:

Principio Iacomino, age 58, also a clerk there; he resided in the Vicaria district of the city of Naples on Strada Vico Finale, #13

Camillo Sferza, age 43, also a clerk there, lived in the Mercato district of the city,on Strada Annunziata, #50