Mariano DiStefano Death

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#229 Can anyone read this document for Mariano? I believe it says something about Giuseppe and Giovanna Falco at the end. Are these his parents? If so, can you tell if they are still alive at the time of Mariano's death? Any info is greatly appreciated as this is the furthest back ancestor I can find on my father's side. If I can get his parents names that would be incredible! Thank you so much! I know he died at the age of 59 on December 24.

http://www.antenati.san.beniculturali.i ... 4.jpg.html

[AngelaGrace56]

Yes, I'm reading that he was the son of Giuseppe and Giovanna Falco, who were both deceased (see the word "furono" before Giuseppe's name. It means "were" (plural) and "fu" means "was" (singular). If you can find each of their death records, they should take you back even further:-)

Edit to Add:
Mariano was a Dottore in Legge (Doctor of Law – Lawyer - Law Graduate). You can read more about this here if you are interested:
dottore in legge: https://www.italiangenealogy.com/forum/ ... ge#p235751

Angela

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Thank you so much Angela! I will definitely look for their death certificates so I can go back further

[AngelaGrace56]

You are very welcome Suzanne. You are doing great with deciphering these records - they are not easy reads. Going great!

Angela:-)

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thank you! Can you tell if his wife Ippolita Perez is mentioned in the document? I am trying to see if she was alive at the time of his death.

[AngelaGrace56]

Yes, she was still alive "marito di".

Angela

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Thank you thank you. I have been trying to find her death and have looked through all of the deaths from 1871 to 1905 twice. She is one intriguing lady. According to my family Ippolita was supposedly a rich Baroness from Spain. I just want to see it for my own eyes. I guess she could have moved and died in another town or moved back to where she was from.. just brainstorming out loud:-) Thank you so much for all of your help!!!

[AngelaGrace56]

Maybe she returned to Spain? Have you seen this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodosio ... fani_Perez

Angela

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Yes! I found it last week! It's amazing! Thank you for sharing it with me too. I also found a link to a paper about the DeStefano family too. It has a wealth of information in it that I am trying to slowly translate. The link you sent me says that Hippolita Perez was a descendent of the Prince of Carloforte (Sardenia?) but the link to the paper shows that it was the Prince of Castelforte (Latina, Italy) . It says "La storia della famiglia rappresenta efficacemente una pagina di storia Siciliana e ad essa va fatto un necessario riferimento nello inquadrare la nascita e la crescita degli interessi naturalistici. Possiamo porre l'inizio della nostra storia al 1839, quando il giorno di sabato 27 aprile - testimoni il principe di Castelforte e la duchessa Massa - si unirono in matrimonio don Mariano De Stefani Falco, figlio del cav. Giuseppe, con donna Ippolita Perez e Napolitano"

http://www.edizionidanaus.com/pdf/nuovi ... Riggio.pdf

So I am wondering if she did not go back to Carloforte or Castelforte after Don Mariano's death?? Sadly, neither Carloforte or Castelforte documents are available at this time.

I really appreciate all of your help- and all of your help over the years. It has been a hard, yet exciting research journey. I have learned so much about ancestry in general, the Italian language and my family history. It is truly addictive!! I love it! Thank you!!!

[AngelaGrace56]

Very happy to happy to help. It's a very interesting story.

Yes, the link you have posted here was a great find. I had come across it before and also saw that you had posted it on another thread for translation. I'll have a closer look at it. It's really great to have this:-)

I thought the following might also interest you:

See page 112 for 1921 pic of Teodosio.
Read footnote No 8 on Page 111, which I was pleased I found because I was wondering why Teodosio used his mother's surname.
https://iris.unipa.it/retrieve/handle/1 ... Cerasa.pdf

(It takes about a minute or so to load.)

It's also interesting that Ippolita went by her fathers surname Perez and also her mother's surname Napolitano, so was the "regal" connection maybe from the mother's side?

I think the correct spelling is Teodosio. I'm not always sure how accurate the info on the Wikpedia articles are. It's great having the pics:-)

I'll get back to you, I'm just checking something else out.

Angela

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It is all very interesting indeed! Thank you for sending the new link. I have not seen it before and loved seeing the 1921 picture of Teodosio. Oddly enough, when I opened the link and saw the picture I gasped because I immediately saw my father in many of his features. Crazy!! And so exciting!

I agree, and was wondering why Ippolita always has her mother's surname in anything I find. That is an interesting concept that you have put out- that perhaps it is the Napolitano side that is "regal". And the footnote about the DiStefano surname is very interesting. I can't thank you enough!!!!!

[AngelaGrace56]

You are very welcome. I'm pleased you have those old photos and that you can see the family likeness there:-)

It would be really good to get a copy of their marriage record, which should note where Ippolita was born. It seems like it was probably Sicily somewhere. I've done a search on Ancestry.com and noted down the following:

Ippolita Perez married Mariano Di Stof on 25 April 1839. Santa Ninfa, Palermo.
Father: Tonino Perez
Mother: Maria Anna Napolitano
Vol 194 No 87

I don't have Ancestry at home but I popped into the library and emailed the following entry to myself:

Name: Ippolita Perez
Spouse: I Mariano Di Stof
Marriage Date: 25 Aprile 1839
Marriage Place: Palermo - Santa Ninfa
Father Name: Tonino Perez
Mother Name: Maria Anna Napolitano
Volume: 194
Number: 87

Source Information:
Ancestry.com. Palermo, Italy Marriages, 1820-1895 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2010.
Original Data: Hugh Tornabene. City of Palermo Marriage Records, 1820-1895. Harwood, Maryland: 2009.

Description:
This database contains more than 200,000 marriages from the Italian port city of Palermo in Sicily between 1820 and 1895. The index was taken from microfilm reproductions of the original documents housed in Palermo. The record contains the groom and bride’s names, parents’ names, marriage date, district, volume and number.

I'm thinking that these are your Ippolita and Mariano although I notice that the date of marriage differs from the article about their family which says they married on Saturday, 27 April 1839? (Propably an error in the ancestry.com indexing, I'd suggest.)

Someone will be able to advise you about how to go about getting the marriage record.

I'll add some other info later.

Angela

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Oh wow!! This is really amazing information. And even more amazing that you would do this for me! Can't believe you made a trip to the library. Really- Thank you so much!!!! I know these are my Ippolita and Mariano!!

Ok, so I have a dumb question- Were they married in Palermo or in Santa Ninfa? Because I am able to see Santa Ninfa marriages for 1839 and I have not been able to find their marriage amongst the documents. And of course, Palermo documents are not yet available at Antinati

Thank you Thank you Thank you, even if I can't get the marriage certificate I love that I now have Ipppolita's parent's names. Thank you Angela!!!

[AngelaGrace56]

I was really thrilled to find this. I find her story really interesting. I wish there was more about her. Apparently she was really beautiful and had a vibrant personality and I got the sense that she was intelligent and that maybe her husband lived a little in her shadow? (Not sure if I've interpreted the last thinking correctly.) Her children were certainly very intelligent and left their mark on Science and other areas, well the three I read about. I wonder what became of the other four. I skim read through the article to see whether it gave her date of death etc but is says very little about her really. It gave Mariano's death date. It seems she fell off the radar...

No, the marriage recorded isn't online. I did check the Santa Ninfa records, just in case, but not there. They are on a different film which is not on line yet, as far as I can see. Maybe someone who researches Sicily can advise you about this matter.

I've actually got Carlo, Teodosio and Giovanni's marriage entries to post as well. I just need to check my notes first. Will do so shortly.

Angela

[AngelaGrace56]

Three of Mariano Di Stefano and Ippolita Perez's children, as seen on ancestry.com:

Carlo Di Sefano m. Maria Merle, 27 April 1874
Palermo Vol 44: No 190

Teodosio Di Stefano m. Luigia D'Afflitto, 22 September 1874
(This is mentioned in the family story as well. The record would be on the same film as Carlo and Maria's marriage.)

Vincenzo Di Stefani m. Giovanni Di Stefani (This has been indexed incorrectly, these are both male names.)
Date of marriage: 7 July 1888, Palermo Vol 128 No 319

Palermo, Italy, Marriages, 1820-1895
Name: Vincenzo Di Stefani
Spouse: Giovanni Di Stefani
Marriage Date: 7 Luglio 1888
Marriage Place: Palermo - ufficio 1
Father Name: Mariano Di Stefani
Mother Name: Ippolito Perez
Volume: 128
Number: 319
Source Information:
Ancestry.com. Palermo, Italy Marriages, 1820-1895 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2010.
Original Data: Hugh Tornabene. City of Palermo Marriage Records, 1820-1895. Harwood, Maryland: 2009.

They had a Giovanni so maybe it is suppose to be Vincenza or maybe they also had a Vincenzo and it is suppose to be Giovanna? Not sure, so it's not much help. Interesting that both surnames are Di Stefani so maybe that's another error in the indexing - or not.

Angela