Frank/Francesco Mancini/Mangini...

[Butterfly]

Hi everyone, obviously new to the boards here but not new to the internet or to spending time researching family!

At any rate, my great-grandfather was a man named Frank J. Mancini, although his middle name may have been Giacomo. He was married to a wonderful woman named Ida Sabatelle Centrella. My family and I have found information about Grandma Ida's family, but the only thing we can find on Frank's father is that his name was Frank/Francesco Mancini or Mangini born around 1861 or so. Frank/Francesco was married to a woman named Maria/Mary Scarpella/Scarfello/Scarpello also born around 1861. They had 6 children, some of which may have passed early. The children's names were Joseph, Thomas/Tommaso, Giovanni Carmelo, Anna, John, and Frank. It appears that all the children were born in New York, NY, but Francesco and Maria both were born in Italy and may have immigrated in 1888. Beyond that

My family would just LOVE to find out any information that we can about this line of the family. I've done about all the research I can do without paying a boatload of money so I was hoping I could find some others who are connected to this line of the Mancini/Mangini family. I know there are many, many of them and many who are named Frank, Francesco, Maria and Mary lol but hey, thought I would give it a shot.

If you need any more information, please let me know and I will get you what I can!!

[lcmor]

Hi there!

This is a really difficult one! I don't know if it's helpful, but I can tell you that before the 1880s most of the emigration from Italy happened in the North as a result of the conflict that was happening there during the period leading up to the unification, after the 1880s it was mostly migration from the South due to deprivation as a result of the unification. Because your relatives left right around the time when emigration just started to increase enormously it is hard to determine if they were Northerners or Southerners.

The names are not massively helpful either. Mancini is an incredibly common name. It's a name mainly associated with central Italy, but is so well diffused that you find it just about everywhere. Mangini is also very common, but more associated with the north of Italy. Scarpella is a name mainly from Lombardia, specifically Brescia and Scarpello is a Palermo, Sicily name. Scarfello doesn't exist anymore, as far as I'm aware, and may not actually be an Italian name, so I think you can probably discount it. But really there isn't a strong link to go on here.

It was more common than not to marry someone who came from the same area as you in Italy, but only really amongst those who travelled over as young adults. Nevertheless, grandma Ida's family might be a clue to where the other family came from.

Did Frank or Maria naturalize? If they did and you can get ahold of their naturalization documents it may give more of a clue as to where they came from.

Anyway, I hope you manage to find some trace of the family soon.

Best of luck!

[Butterfly]

Thanks for the response

It is unknown, though suspected that they naturalized. The naturalization records are held under lock and key by New Jersey and Ancestry. Neither of which we can afford to pay at this point. I'm hoping to get an Ancestry account soon and that will probably clear everything up!

There was one small record that I found that seems to indicate that a Francesco Mangini came over in 1907...but Maria was not listed there so either it wasn't him, she was on a separate ship or she was listed on a different page that we don't have access to. Frank and Ida were both born here in the US.

Scarpella has been the most common name seen in association with Maria, but occasionally it has been listed under Scarpello or even Scarfella/fello. I figured it was just a variant. That's very interesting to learn about the different names!

[suanj]

Hi here the 1900 census:



Frances Mangina

United States Census, 1900

Name Frances Mangina
Event Type Census
Event Year 1900
Event Place Borough of Manhattan, Election District 19 New York City Ward 2, New York County, New York, United States
Gender Male
Age 40
Marital Status Married
Race White
Race (Original) W
Relationship to Head of Household Head
Relationship to Head of Household (Original) Head
Years Married 18
Birth Date Sep 1860
Birthplace Italy
Marriage Year (Estimated) 1882
Immigration Year 1888
Father's Birthplace Italy
Mother's Birthplace Italy


Household

Role

Sex

Age

Birthplace

Frances Mangina Head M 40 Italy
Maria Mangina Wife F 39 Italy
Joseph Mangina Son M 10 New York
Tomaso Mangina Son M 8 New York
Antonetta Mangina Daughter F 4 New York
John Mangina Son M 0 New York
Dominico Scarpella Brother-in-law M 20 Italy

and here the arrival of Francesco Mangini, Maria Scarpelli and little Giuseppe Mangini:

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1 ... cc=1849782 coming from Sala Consilina (Salerno province, IT)...

and by Salerno archive, levy records:

Mancini

Nome: Giuseppe

Classe: 1886

Comune di nascita: Pertosa

Full text:

Mancini Giuseppe di Francesco e Scarpelli Maria nato il 02/05/1886 a Pertosa di professione


born on 2 May 1886 in Pertosa, son of Francesco Mancini and Maria Scarpelli.
Well so the right surnames spelling is MANCINI AND SCARPELLI

Pertosa is a little village no far from Sala Consilina..... and in Pertosa was born Giuseppe...
Hoping helpful,
suanj

[Biff83]

Giuesppe Pietro Mancini birth act

Child presented on 2 May 1886 but born at 8:24 pm on the 29th of April in a home on Via ?. Father Francesco was 24, unable to decipher his occupation. Mother Maria's age not given.

[suanj]

Hi Biff, the profession was stagnario aka stagnino and the home address was Via Casalesottano...
suanj