Help understanding Archivio di Stato records

[khoney]

I am currently reviewing the birth records in Archivio di Stato di Potenza Stato civile della restaurazione Chiarmonte in the 1830-1854 period. The form is not the same as used in later records of which I have an English translation which is of great help. Does anyone know of a translation of the form such as the one attached which I think is an ancestor (Number 9) Maria Emmanuela Allegretti? If someone could translate the birth record that would also be greatly appreciated.

Thank you,

Karen

[Tessa78]

There is no image/link in your post for the record

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It has samples of the various records in Italian and English.

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T.

[khoney]

Hi Tessa,

I ordered a copy of Genealogists Guide to Discovering Your Italian Ancestors: How to Find and Record Your Unique Heritage and look forward to reading it.

Attached is the birth record that should have been attached. Maria's record is number 9.

Thank you,
Karen

[Tessa78]

You won't be disappointed in your purchase... great resource!

Left side is the birth act - right side is the notation of baptism.
The child's surname is MATURO. Her mother's maiden name is Allegretti.
#9
Dated 25 January 1844 at 6 PM before the official in Chiaramonte.. appeared
Giuseppe Maturo [son of deceased Giovanni Maturo], age 26, landowner residing in Chiaramonte, to present a female child... born to Carmela Allegretti, his wife, age 36, residing with him in Chiaramonte... on the same day at 10 AM at their home on Strada Santa Maria Melfitana , no number.
The child was given the name Maria Emmanuela.
Witnesses to the record: Giovanni Grandinetti, 50, laborer; Raffaele Dragonetti, son of deceased Giuseppe, age 53, proprietor.

Baptism on 25th at the Parish of San Tommaso.

T.

[khoney]

Thank you Tessa,

Not the Maria Emmanuela I was looking for but now I know where to look for the names on the document which is a great help.

Karen

[Tessa78]

Happy hunting, Karen!

If we can be of any help in your search, let us know.

T.

[khoney]

Hi Tessa,

I still have not located the records for my husband's direct ancestor Catrina who was likely to be born in the 1867-1868 gap in the online records but I may have found some of her brothers which will help especially her mother who I have no idea when born.

Giuseppe Montesano no. 125
Domenico Montesano no. 95
Gio Montesano no. 61
Pietro Montesano no.46

The four children that appear to be born in Chiaromonte, Potenza, Italy of Maurizio Montesano and Emmanuela Allegretti. Any information you could provide would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you once again,
Karen

[khoney]

Attached are the remaining files

[Tessa78]

The first image is the birth of Giovannbattista Montesano (#610
Dated 30 July 1874
Appearing was Maurizio Montesano, son of deceased Pietro, age 42, municipal guard.
Born to his legitimate wife, Maria Emmanuela Allegretti, 28, landowner, was a male child, that morning at 8 AM at home - Strada Vittorio Emmanuele #107 -

T.

[Tessa78]

Correction to Giovannbattista record - it is act #61, not #610

Also, for future posts, we recommend posting the link to the record if available rather than the image. It gives us more flexibility to enlarge.

Here is Domenico Montesano #95
Dated 30 September 1878 at 7:30 AM at the town office in Chiaramonte.
Father: Maurizio Montesano, 45, guard
Mother: Emmanuella Allegretti, 30, his wife, daughter of deceased Giuseppe, landowner
Birth on 28th at the house at Via Vittorio Emmanuele #107

Giuseppe Pietro (#125)
Dated 30 December 1864
F: Maurizio, son of Pietro, 34
M: Emmanuella Allegretti, wife, 21
Birth on 28th - baptized on 31st.

Pietro Montesano #45
Dated 14 April 1866, at 1 PM at the town office in Via Vittorio Emmanuele #103
Appeared: Pietro Montesano, 68, shopkeeper born in Montesano.
Father: Maurizio Montesano (son of above Pietro), 33, shopkeeper born in Montesano.
Mother: Signora Emmanuele (this is the spelling in the record) Allegretti, 20, "gentlewoman" born in this town.
Child born on the morning of the 12th at 11:00, at the house in Via Mercato #8, and given the name PIETRO
The grandfather, Pietro Montesano (described as the declarant and head of the family) signed with the official and one of the witnesses.


T.

[khoney]

Hi Tessa,

I am pretty sure the following is the marriage of Maurizio Montesano and Maria Emmanuella Alligretti! Would you please translate?

http://www.antenati.san.beniculturali.i ... ewsIndex=0

http://www.antenati.san.beniculturali.i ... ewsIndex=0

Thank you so very much,
Karen

[Tessa78]

#8
Dated 16 March 1864 at 11 PM at the town office in Chiaramonte...
appeared ...
Maurizio Montesano, 33, born in Montemurro, shopkeeper residing in Montemurro, son of Pietro, shopkeeper in Montemurro; and of deceased Caterina di Fina.
AND
Caterina Maria Emmanuela Allegretti, 20, born in Chiaramonte, residing there, daughter of deceased Signor Giuseppe, proprietor/owner, and of Signora Teresa de Palma residing there.
Documents presented to the official:
1 - Act of birth of the groom
2 - Same for the bride
3 - Act of death for the mother of the groom
4 - Same for the first wife of the groom
5 - Same for the father of the bride
6 - Same for the paternal grandfather of the bride
7 - Act of notification in Montemurro
8 - Same made here in Chiaramonte (both of these 7 & 8 without opposition)
Present were the father of the groom and the mother of the bride.
The record was signed by Maurizio and his father, Pietro, and the witnesses.

Church celebration at Church of S. Tommaso on 19 March 1864.
Witnesses: Raffaele Padula and Giovanni Gentile

EDIT TO ADD***

Here is the birth of Maurizio Montesano in 1831 in Montemurro
#100
Dated 28 May 1831 - baptized the same day.
The child was presented by the midwife who declared he was born to Caterina di Fina, 18, residing here in Strada San Carlo; and to Pietro Montesano, her husband, 32(?), shopkeeper; on 28th of the month at 5 AM at home.
http://www.antenati.san.beniculturali.i ... ewsIndex=0

AND***

Marriage of Pietro Montesano and Caterina di Fina in 1828 in Montemurro
#11
Dated 28 June 1828 in Montemurro
Groom: Pietro Montesano, 30, shopkeeper residing in Montemurro at Strada San Carlo, son of Maurizio a shopkeeper residing in Strada abovesaid; and of Lisa(?) Gerardi.
Bride: Caterina Maria Ermilia(?) di Fina, 16, born in Montemurro, daughter of Domenico, shopkeeper, residing in Montemurro; and of Virgilia Bixxxxxi.
Marriage notification on 25 May 1828.
Documents presented (handwriting is difficult)
1 - Birth act of the groom
2 - Birth act of the bride
3 - Notification of marriage with no opposition
Church celebration at the parish church on 29th.

http://www.antenati.san.beniculturali.i ... ewsIndex=0

T.

[khoney]

Wow Tessa, I can’t thank you enough! I have been looking all this time in the records in Chiaramonte for Catrina Montesano who was likely born before Maurizo married Maria Emmanuella. Next on to Montemurro!

Karen

[Tessa78]

Here is another daughter - Lisa(?) - born to the couple in March 1833, in Montemurro
http://www.antenati.san.beniculturali.i ... ewsIndex=0

T.

[khoney]

Tessa,

Thank you again, you are amazing.

I think I found the index reference to Catrina's birth in 1861 but when I go to no. 112 I do not see any of the names I am looking for. I tried to understand the date of birth on the index but the month does not look like the any on the list of months translated from Italian to English that I have. What am I doing wrong?

Karen

http://www.antenati.san.beniculturali.i ... ewsIndex=0