Need help deciphering - "non ha ne Avo, ne Ava ne ascendente..."

[rfiorille]

Trying to understand what this document is saying about the groom after "Francesco di Antonio Fiorillo".

I am seeing "mi-o Filiame non ha ne Avo, ne Ava ne ascendente di...".

I can't make out the rest. I would appreciate help with understanding what the document is saying with a transcription and translation. This is an extract for processetti records of Francesco Fiorilli's marriage.

Thank you,
Robert

[rfiorille]

Apologies. A link to the document would help. Here it is:

http://dl.antenati.san.beniculturali.it ... 5.jpg.html

[erudita74]

Hi Robert
Basically it's saying that he has no ascendants still living. Not a grandfather, a grandmother, or any ascendant. I can't decipher the two words which are after"ascendente di" but the last part is "per essere tutti trapassati all'altra vita"-all have died or passed away to the other life.
Erudita

[rfiorille]

Hi Erudita
That's what I was thinking the record was saying. "Filiame" doesn't translate for me, but I get the gist of the document. The death record of Francesco's father Antonio is included, but I guess this is just a supplemental document.
Thank you again!
Robert

[mmogno]

"....non ha né Avo, né Ava, né ascendente di sorta veruna per essere tutti trapassati all'altra vita come ho rilevato da' libri parocchiali dei defunti, che presso me conservo...".

[erudita74]

Hi Erudita
That's what I was thinking the record was saying. "Filiame" doesn't translate for me, but I get the gist of the document. The death record of Francesco's father Antonio is included, but I guess this is just a supplemental document.
Thank you again!
Robert

I've also been trying to track down a translation of "Filiame" but no luck so far, Robert. I don't believe it would alter the meaning though. All of his ancestors predeceased him.

Here's one thought though. Maybe the priest was using Filiame to refer to Francesco as "my child," in the sense that he is a member or "child "of his parish.

Erudita

[PippoM]

I think "Mio filiame" is to be meant as "member of my Parish".
If I remember, we already found "figliano" with this meaning.

[erudita74]

I think "Mio filiame" is to be meant as "member of my Parish".
If I remember, we already found "figliano" with this meaning.

Pippo-I think we're on the same track with this one. I appreciate your input.

Erudita

[rfiorille]

Sorry for my delayed reply. Erudita and Pippo I really appreciate your combined interpretation of the word "Filiame". It makes a lot of sense.

Mmogno, thank you as well for the full transcription. When I did a google translation the words "parochial books of the dead which I keep with me" jumped out at me. When I visited San Giovanni in Galdo I met a man who lent me a book he had in his possession. The book had no title on the outside, but inside was a title page with the words "Ricordanza dei Fedeli Defunti di Questo Comune Sangiovanni in Galdo". This was not the parish register of deaths but a book with sections or chapters by family. I wonder if this is what the priest was referring to because I have a copies of parish records for the grandfather of the Francesco Fiorilli in the link I originally pasted above.

The book that was lent to me is like a narrative of the families, stating the relationships of the deceased in one specific family. My guess is that the book was read at mass, and certain families were read during certain weeks. Has anyone ever seen a book like this?

Here are two pages from the book. I attached the first photo to show how the week in November is for certain families. In the second photo it's written "Amata-Maria Fiorilli moglie di Francesco Fiorilli". This Francesco Fiorilli is the son of Antonio Fiorilli on the fourth line. However, you can't know from this page only that they are related. I needed the parish records to make this connection. In the original record that I linked to, the priest says he knows of no ancestors beyond Francesco's father Antonio. However, he wrote the extract of Antonio's death record that states his father as Clemente. I guess I'm not sure why the priest wrote this document up for the processetti.But I find it interesting that he may have had this book in his possession and that I had a chance to hold it many years later!