A second look please

[kevinkuta]

AngelaGrace56 helped me out immensely by translating this marriage publication for me, however there are a few things that she was unsure of. If someone could please take a look at this record to confirm what she found or add to what she found I would greatly appreciate it.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... at=1150457

This is what Angela found:

"I've typed out below what I am understanding the document to be saying, but it would be great if someone else could take a look at this because I'm not 100% sure I have read and interpreted some of the words correctly.

Marriage Publication No 11: Giovanni Alfredo Molari and Ida Concetta Maria Bisognani
Santarcangelo: 25 May 1904, 11 am

Today was recevied from the town of Genova, the following request:

"Genoa City Hall – Civil Status – Office 4:
The Officer/Registrar of the town of Genova has requested to proceed with the two marriage publications of the marriage to be contracted before him between Giovanni Alfredo Molari, celibe (never before married), of the age of maturity, occupation tipografo (printer), born Santarcangelo di Ramanga, residing in Genova, son of the deceased Achille and of the deceased Gallia? Guandelina?

And

Ida, Concetta Maria Bisognani, nubile (never before married), who has reached the age of maturity, born Santarcangelo di Ramagna, resident in Genova, daughter of Lorenzo, Macchinista (machinist), residing in Santarcangelo, and unknown mother."

(The next paragraph I get completely lost because I'm struggling with the script and can't catch all the words. I think he (the official in Genova) is just requesting that the publications are also posted in the town of Santarcangelo and requesting the Official there to provide relevant certificates??? Not completely sure, sorry. Someone else hopefully will help with this. What throws me is the date 20 June 1902? Maybe it is an error and is meant to be 1904?)

In the last paragraph he, that is the Official in Santarcangelo, basically says: I then immediately ordered for the execution of the publications in this Municipality, and the request was carried out with my authorisation? and inferred in the volume of the attachments to this register."

Thanks again for any help you can give

[erudita74]

Something quick, Kevin, as I'm on my out for about an hour or so.

I think the groom's mother's name was Guendalina Gallioli. I know the name is written as Guandelina in the record, but I think it's just spelled incorrectly in the record.

If no one else looks at the rest of the record before I get back, I'll look at it more later and see what else I can help you with.

Erudita

[kevinkuta]

Thanks

[erudita74]

Kevin

What I'm understanding is that the publications were also made in the town of Santarcangelo di Romagna, as the bride had been a resident there IN the year. The document reads “comune di Santarcangelo di Romagna dove la sposa ebbe nell’anno la residenza). The publications were in conformity with the law and were issued on free paper (i.e., on paper which did not have an official stamp, due to the poverty of the couple, so they weren't charged a fee to have their request for their marriage publications to be made). Like Angela, I also see the dates of Aug 1 and June 20, 1902, and May 14, 1904 in Genova. I’m baffled by the 1902 dates, which I believe refer to publications made in Santarcangelo, so that may be the year in which the bride lived there. Marriage publications though do expire after a certain period of time, and are not always immediately followed by a marriage, so I find it hard to believe that publications made in another town in 1902 would be acceptable for a marriage in Genova in 1904). The purpose of the publications was to insure that there was no opposition to a marriage, so if there was any opposition, or one of the parties simply changed his/her mind about going through with a marriage, then a marriage may not have actually taken place.

In the margin of the record, are the dates of the publications made in Genoa in 1904 -the first on May 29th, a Sunday. That one remained posted on the door of the town hall until it was replaced by the second publication on June 5th, which was also a Sunday. The second publication then remained posted for three full days and expired on June 9, 1904. So the actual marriage could then take place any time after June 9th.

Erudita

[kevinkuta]

Any idea where I might find the maggiage atti? does this record narrow it down to a certain (for lack of the proper term) "district" of Genoa? Looking at the files there are close to 30 different areas to look.

thanks

[erudita74]

I don't know about the marriage act. Will have to look. I was just going through the 1902 marriage publications which are online at family search for the town of Santarcangelo. I don't see any for either of them. The images for 1902 start with image 850 and go to image 920:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... at=1150457

[mmogno]

.... The publications were in conformity with the law and were issued on free paper (i.e., on paper which did not have an official stamp, due to the poverty of the couple, so they weren't charged a fee to have their request for their marriage publications to be made).
Erudita

@Erudita
".... si fa invito al Sig. Ufficiale di Stato Civile di eseguirle secondo legge, in carta libera per povertà, giusta i certificati della P. S. di Genova e di Sant'Arcangelo di Romagna, addì 1 Agosto e 20 giugno 1902. ...."
L'Ufficiale di Stato Civile di Sant'Arcangelo di Romagna è invitato a eseguire le pubblicazioni, previste dalla legge, in carta libera (non in carta da bollo), perchè i promessi sposi risultano poveri.
Le date sono quelle in cui le autorità di P(ubblica) S(icurezza) di Genova e Sant'Arcangelo hanno rilasciato i certificati di povertà.

[erudita74]

Thanks, G
Erudita

[erudita74]

Kevin
Sorry I wasn't able to get back to you yesterday. As per mmogno, the dates in question were the dates of the release of the certificates of poverty by the authority of the Pubblica Sicurezza (Public Safety, I believe is the correct English translation) in both towns. The official in Santarcangelo was therefore invited by the official of Genova to execute the publications there, according to the law, in free paper (that is, without any official stamp) because the betrothed couple was poor.

I went through the Part II acts of matrimony for Santarcangelo for the years up to 1910, in case a copy of the marriage in Genova was sent back to that town, but no such luck.

Erudita

[kevinkuta]

I really appreciate the help Erudita and mmogno. I'm kind of chasing a family unicorn here. Just find the publication was a victory.

Thanks

[erudita74]

Also not in the online marriage index for the city of Genova.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cat=736332

[kevinkuta]

Thanks, I appreciate the effort

[erudita74]

Kevin
The Diomira Zaira Maria Molari in that index is a sister of Giovanni Alfredo. I actually found his parents' marriage record in Santarcangelo, as well as the birth acts of his siblings up to 1884. I didn't look past that year. What is unfortunate is that the birth records from 1879 to 1883 are missing. I think that Giovanni was born in one of those years. I thought that, if we located his birth record, there would be an annotation concerning his marriage in Genova in the margin, as the birth acts for that town have all kinds of annotations in the margins. Also I see that Ida was born in 1880, so that birth record is not there either-again that might have given us the marriage annotation. If you want the links to the marriage record of his parents, and records of his siblings, let me know. I have them bookmarked on my computer.
Erudita

[erudita74]

Kevin
I just realized that in the record in Santarcangelo, the info from Genova says office #4 for the publications.

I found them in the Genova Genova Publications index for 1904, in the index for Ufficio 4. The problem is I only see the publications themselves online for Ufficio 1 and 2 for the year 1904. So, anyway, I believe this confirms that there marriage was in the city of Genova, even though first names are not in the index.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cat=736332

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cat=736332

#191, office 4


The office 4 atti di matrimoni for 1904 start here. I went through it and don't see their marriage. I also checked in office #3

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cat=736332

[kevinkuta]

Maybe when you're too poor to pay for the paperwork they don't bother to record anything