Help with the translation of death record #48 Paola Benedetto

[jrbak]

Good afternoon (Buono sera),
I located the death record of my 3rd great grandmother today and am in need of some assistance with the translation. I would be grateful for any corrections, additions etc. I am trying to learn to translate the records that I can.

On the ninth day of the month of October, 1841, at five in the evening, sacraments were given (probably last rites and holy unction) at or before the death of Paola Benedetto, 58 years, occupation, contadino (peasant), nativa, (born) in Piverone, lived in Piverone. Guiseppe Negri is her husband, (don't know if living or dead). Father is Giacinto Benedetto and mother is Anna Maria Cont?

Witnesses were Francesco Orione, profession? , living in Piverone and Gaspare Negri, profession?, living in Piverone.

I had hoped it would say where the mother and father lived.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cat=442795

I think I am getting better but need a lot of help on those old records!!

With so much appreciation,
Jefferie (jrbak)

[AngelaGrace56]

Death Act No 45: Paola Negri born Benedetto

On the ninth day of the month of October, 1841, at five am, equipped with the holy sacraments of Penance, Communion and Extreme Unction died Paola Benedetto, 58 years, occupation, contadina (peasant), nativa, (born) in Piverone, lived in Piverone. (vedova di i.e widow of) Giuseppe Negri is her husband, (deceased). Father is fu (ie deceased) Giacinto Benedetto and mother is fu (deceased) Anna Maria Contessa (It looks like the mother's name has been crossed out so not sure whether this is legit or not? Another pair of eyes to determine would help here.)

Note: In this record there is some ambiguity regarding Giuseppe Negri . It says that she, the deceased, is the widow of Giuseppe Negri in one place, but then it also says "maritata con" i.e. married with Giuseppe Negri. So another pair of eyes here would help as well.

Registrants were Francesco Orione, 60 yo, profession not given , living in Piverone and Gaspare Negri, 58 yo, profession not given, living in Piverone.

I had hoped it would say where the mother and father lived. It doesn't.

The corpse was buried on 10 October in the cemetery of this town.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cat=442795

I think I am getting better but need a lot of help on those old records!! You are doing great!!!

With so much appreciation,
Jefferie (jrbak)

Fantastic find!!!! You bet me to it. Interesting that it has both her husband's surname and her maiden name. Maybe things are different in that province? Usually Italian women keep their maiden name.

Edit to Add:

Here's some vocab for you to look out for:

Vedova = widow
vedovo = widower
fu = was = deceased singular
furono = were = deceased plural
contadino – male farmer/peasant
contadina – female farmer/peasant

Also "o" at the end of a name normally indicates a male. e.g. Domenico, Antonio, Angelo
"a" at the end of a name normally indicates a female e.g. Domenica, Antonia, Angela
Maria, while female, can often be included in a male's name e.g. Antonio Maria Giuseppe

Angela

[jrbak]

Dear Angela,
Thank you so much for all of your help with the many additions/corrections that were needed here. I noticed that you call it a death act and then the # instead of a record so is that what I should call it too?

I wonder what "extreme" unction is? Maybe because it is at death that they provide the annointing of oil?

I see the discrepancy with his death. If Giuseppe is dead here already then I must have missed his death act somewhere already or if still living, I have not come across it yet. His, is one I am looking for. I have gone through almost all of the 1840's, 1850's and I hope they have some 1860's until 1866 so that I may find it yet.(church records) If it is in the 30's and before, these records are harder for me to read without some help. But I saw your suggestion in the other post. I have now about 250/over 3,000 to go before I finish. Then go through them again. I still have four more I am looking for yet.

I think by looking at the record again, the person crossing things out just got a little carried away with the pen. Contessa was not crossed out unless they were not certain about the name Anna Maria. If I can find their marriage record (about 1820), it will help.

Thank you for telling me about her corpse being buried but I think they have several cemeteries in Piverone so I will have to find the right one and maybe this is the same one my great granddad is buried in too.

I appreciate all the vocabulary as I learn from this everyday. Also the italian "naming" traditions are so interesting.

I recall you telling me about the maiden names being kept and it is interesting too, that in these church records (just in the 1840, 1850 and I don't know yet about the 1860 records they have all the married women with their married name and then nata; their
maiden name on the side of the document. All the other's are not this way?

I am doing a new post now; see you back on the forum.

With much gratitude,
Jefferie (jrbak)

[AngelaGrace56]

Dear Angela,
Thank you so much for all of your help with the many additions/corrections that were needed here. I noticed that you call it a death act and then the # instead of a record so is that what I should call it too? As always, you are very welcome for the help, Jefferie. It's fine to call it Death Record.

I wonder what "extreme" unction is? Maybe because it is at death that they provide the annointing of oil?
Extreme Unction – I grew up understanding it to be the Sacrament "Anointing of the Sick" usually given to someone who was near death. I see people referring to it as the "last rites" or "Final Anointing" given to someone close to death. And yes, it involves annointing with "blessed" oil – olive oil, I think.


I see the discrepancy with his death. If Giuseppe is dead here already then I must have missed his death act somewhere already or if still living, I have not come across it yet. His, is one I am looking for. I have gone through almost all of the 1840's, 1850's and I hope they have some 1860's until 1866 so that I may find it yet.(church records) If it is in the 30's and before, these records are harder for me to read without some help. But I saw your suggestion in the other post. I have now about 250/over 3,000 to go before I finish. Then go through them again. I still have four more I am looking for yet.All sorted! I have found it. Read below.

I think by looking at the record again, the person crossing things out just got a little carried away with the pen. Contessa was not crossed out unless they were not certain about the name Anna Maria. I think you are correct. I wondered about that too. I'm use to Civil Records which address "cross outs" differently. There don't seem to be a lot of rules about Church Records. You'll also find that each Priest has their own way of recording things and chooses what he will record. It was basically up to the Priest to record what he felt.
If I can find their marriage record (about 1820), it will help.

Thank you for telling me about her corpse being buried but I think they have several cemeteries in Piverone so I will have to find the right one and maybe this is the same one my great granddad is buried in too. Just thinking quickly here, another thought also, is to look for the one closest to the church. You could also check to see whether back in the 1800's there was a cemetery close to the church? There possibly wasn't enough land around it though? Sometimes there were cribs under the church? I doubt very much though, if after all this time the tomb and remains of your ancestors would still be there though. Sadly, they are only kept for so many years. I love exploring old cemeteries. I have a fantastic one close my home.

I appreciate all the vocabulary as I learn from this everyday. Also the italian "naming" traditions are so interesting.

I recall you telling me about the maiden names being kept and it is interesting too, that in these church records (just in the 1840, 1850 and I don't know yet about the 1860 records they have all the married women with their married name and then nata; their
maiden name on the side of the document. All the other's are not this way?

I am doing a new post now; see you back on the forum.

With much gratitude,
Jefferie (jrbak)

1820 Death Record No 10: Giuseppe Negri, son of deceased Domenico Negri, wife of living Paula Benedetto
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cat=442795

I first found their son's death record:

1827 Death Record No 32: Domenico Antonio Negri, son of "deceased" Giuseppe, and of Paola Benedetto......https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cat=442795

You can post these records separately as Latin records and have these translated by one of our wonderful Latin experts. I don't really read Latin and wouldn't want to get anything wrong. I knew that I was looking for his death record from 1818 (the year his son Giovanni was born) and just worked backwards from Paola's death.

Thanks for your messages, both here and via private message. I'll take a look at them shortly.

So you have gone back one more generation to Giuseppe Negri's father, Domenico Antonio. I had a feeling his name would be Domenico when I found the death record for Domenico Antonio Negri here.

All good.

Angela

[jrbak]

Dear Angela,
As always, I thank you so much for all of your help! I will use the words act and record interchangeably. I could not think of it at the time, but yes, it would be considered "last rites". Thanks for the thoughts on the cemetery; I will look into this because now we know two people were buried there, I think. It makes sense that it maybe closest to the church or nearby.

Today, I finally had the chance to place "your great momentous finds of 3rd great grandpa and his son, as well as the name of 4th great grandpa" for translation. I am so very grateful for your research for me, taking the time to go through the Latin records which are not easy for me. I appreciate it so much. I also made a copy of some terrific articles from italiangenealogy.com, today that I will be reading, so interesting. Some on the subjects we have touched upon through my research here at ig.com. All helpful.

Best Regards,
Jefferie (jrbak)

[AngelaGrace56]

Angela