What appears to be two last names

[carolc]

It appears that Gelsomina Cappuccio Carpinella has two last names so I thought, like more modern times, it was a combo of her mother and father's names but it doesn't appear to be that. Can you help translate the names on this document:

http://dl.antenati.san.beniculturali.it ... ewsIndex=0

It looks like the father is Nicolo Gelsomino Cappuccio and the mother is de Luca so where does the Carpinella name come from?

[AngelaGrace56]

This is interesting. There may be an error? I'm reading that the girl's Christian name is Carpinella – (haven't seen that Christian name before), and that her surname, is a double name, which we do find in these old records, believe it or not. Her surname shown in the record is Gelsomino Cappuccio, so her name is Carpinella Gelsomino Cappuccio.

Yes, the father's name is Nicola Gelsomino Cappuccio.

In Avellino, all three names Carpinella, Gelsomino, and Cappuccio are surnames, so it could be that the clerk has somehow got muddled somewhere?


Angela

[AngelaGrace56]

Following on from my previous post here.

I've located the index: http://dl.antenati.san.beniculturali.it ... ewsIndex=0
If you look at No 73 and No 84 there are two other babies given the name Carpinella.

Also, I just wanted to mention that, If you look at the surrounding records, you'll notice that in the margins the Christian name is written first and then the surname. In the indices the Christian name is also written before the surname.


Edit to Add:

Marriage No 27: Nicola Gelsomino Cappuccio and Lucida De Luca
Nicola was the "natural" son of Anastasia Cappuccio, daughter of deceased Saverio. It doesn't give his father's name, so I suspect he was either a foundling, later claimed by his mother, or of unknown father. If you find his birth record this may shed a light on where the name Gelsomino comes from, unless it's a second given name? But I don't think so.
http://dl.antenati.san.beniculturali.it ... ewsIndex=0

Angela

[mmogno]

@Angela
Gelsomino è un tipico cognome usato per i trovatelli
https://blogincultura.blogspot.com/2019 ... telli.html

[carolc]

Angela this is such a huge help. I appreciate how thorough you are. I'll look around and see if I can locate Nicola's birth, also if I can find more of their children I might find that this is a naming pattern or an error in this one child's record. At first I thought maybe he chooses to name his children after his father and his mother's maiden name but since he may not know his father, that can't be the case.

Thank you so much for your help.
Carol

[AngelaGrace56]

@Angela
Gelsomino è un tipico cognome usato per i trovatelli
https://blogincultura.blogspot.com/2019 ... telli.html

Grazie G! I didn't know that Gelsomino was a typical foundling name. However, I suspected that Nicola was a foundling and that the name Gelsomino had been given to him by the official, as is confirmed from his birth record which I have located. Thanks for the interesting link as well.

Angela

Angela this is such a huge help. I appreciate how thorough you are. I'll look around and see if I can locate Nicola's birth, also if I can find more of their children I might find that this is a naming pattern or an error in this one child's record. At first I thought maybe he chooses to name his children after his father and his mother's maiden name but since he may not know his father, that can't be the case.

Thank you so much for your help.
Carol

Happy to help. I love solving mysteries. Great that there are good records on line. Anyways, I've located Nicola's Birth Record for you which confirms he was a foundling, and we know that it is the same Nicola because it has his marriage details to Lucida annotated there at the top of the record.
Nicola Gelsomino Cappuccio, given the name Nicola at birth and surname Gelsomino.
http://dl.antenati.san.beniculturali.it ... ewsIndex=0

Nicola was left at the foundling wheel. When the parents were unknown, both Christian name and surname were invented by the town official and given to the the child.

At some stage, his mother must have "recognized" him as her son. I'll see what I can find concerning this later today and get back to you if I do.

Angela

[AngelaGrace56]

Following on from my previous post, the following is a copy of the Act of Recognition whereby Anastasia Cappuccio is recognising Nicola Gelsomino as her natural son, and adding her surname to his name, so it becomes Nicola Gelsomino Cappuccio. The document is dated 28 November 1866. She says that she has never married. I've only skim read the document. You can always repost the document and ask for a full translation in case there is anything important I haven't noted. http://dl.antenati.san.beniculturali.it ... ewsIndex=0

(See previous post for Nicola's birth record)

Angela

[mmogno]

See record #159/1866
http://dl.antenati.san.beniculturali.it ... ewsIndex=0
http://dl.antenati.san.beniculturali.it ... ewsIndex=0

[carolc]

Angela I don't know how to express my gratitude at all of this research you did. Thank you so much. You have given me a story to share in place of just a name in the family tree. This is wonderful and I never could have done it without your help.
Carol

[AngelaGrace56]

Angela I don't know how to express my gratitude at all of this research you did. Thank you so much. You have given me a story to share in place of just a name in the family tree. This is wonderful and I never could have done it without your help.
Carol

My pleasure, Carol. I always enjoy digging deeper. mmogno, in his last post here has linked you to the original Act of Recognition, so if you did want to have it fully translated, I would suggest that you post the link that he has provided, as the one that I linked you to was an "extract" which I located in the marriage allegati. I always prefer the originals as often clerical error can be found in the "extracts".

Best to you.

Angela