Help with marriage notation

[delfgill]

Hi,

Can someone please doublecheck the marriage notation on birth act #58. I'm reading a marriage to Emilia Sarsi on 15 April 1915 in Marsiconuovo.

Link and photo attached.

https://www.ancestry.com/imageviewer/co ... bel=Return

Thanks so much!

[Tessa78]

I am reading the same date.

The surname SARLI is found in Marsico Nuovo. I do not find Sarsi there.

T.

[delfgill]

Thank you!

[Tessa78]

Thank you!

I just tried to look up the marriage in 1905 and did not find it.

I think you are correct with 1915

T.

[Tessa78]

I think the bride's given name is Giulia, not Emilia.

I searched the 1886-1896 births in Marsico Nuovo for Emilia Sarli without success.

However, I found this birth act in 1894 for a Giulia Maria Rachele Sarli. Unfortunately, there is no annotation of marriage on the record.
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T.

[delfgill]

Thanks. I had come across the same and wondered if it could be her.

I'm waiting for more info about her parents. I was told Emilia died at the age of 33 in 1933 which means she would have been born around ~1900 and married at the age of 15.

[Tessa78]

Any family lore that she had a brother?

Here is a longshot ---- Lauretta Elvira Carmela Sarli - recorded 1898 in Marsico Nuovo (#1 in Parte II)
born in Scordia, Catania on 15 January 1892 to Nicola Sarli and Marianna Sarli.
Record #2 is a brother - Attilio Matteo Sarli.
born 26 September 1886 in Bari, Puglia to the same parents.
Nicola Sarli was a Fabbro Ferraro (blacksmith) and an Armiere (armorer) in each of the respective records.
Possible that they traveled because of his work. Nicola is listed as a resident of Marsico Nuovo. They chose to have the births recorded in their ancestral home in 1898.
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EDIT TO ADD:
Here is the original birth #1802 for Attilio in Bari.
Maybe it can offer some clues. The father is listed as a resident of Marsio Nuovo.
I searched for the record for the daughter, but Scordia records appear to end at 1893.
Image is on page 641 of the 1886 Bari births
https://www.antenati.san.beniculturali. ... id=3901835

T.

[delfgill]

Many thanks!

I bookmarked Lauretta Elvira's record yesterday. Need to research that further.

I did find Antonino's parents' marriage record (Angelo Milano and Maria Fortunato #51):
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14 November 1878 marriage between ANGIOLO MILANO, age, 22, son of Francesco and deceased Carmela Castellando(?); and ANNA MARIA FORTUNATO, age 18, daughter of deceased Saverio and Maria Felicia Russo.

Hoping this might also hold some clues.

[Tessa78]

Here is Lauretta Elvira's original birth act from Scordia (#37)
Image on page 18 of 1892 births
https://www.antenati.san.beniculturali. ... s_id=85487

T.

[delfgill]

Thank you

[delfgill]

Many thanks!

I bookmarked Lauretta Elvira's record yesterday. Need to research that further.

I did find Antonino's parents' marriage record (Angelo Milano and Maria Fortunato #51):
https://www.ancestry.com/imageviewer/co ... lang=en-US

14 November 1878 marriage between ANGIOLO MILANO, age, 22, son of Francesco and deceased Carmela (?) CASTELLANETA; and ANNA MARIA FORTUNATO, age 18, daughter of deceased Saverio and Maria Felicia Russo.

Hoping this might also hold some clues.

[delfgill]

Emilia’s mother was a maid. She got pregnant during an affair. Emilia’s bio-father was a lawyer.

After Emilia’s birth, she was given to a family who couldn’t have children. Emilia was not adopted. It was always believed that her surname was Romania. I thought children born out of wedlock/affairs were given their mother's surname?

What's interesting is that the 1894 and 1898 birth acts for Marsico Nuovo read… “Avanti di me Romania Avvocato Cavalier Michele, Sindaco” as shown on Lauretta and Giulia’s birth acts.

In any event, if the lawyer’s surname was Romania, and Emilia's bio-father was a lawyer, perhaps there was some confusion when the family was researching and interpreting records.

Your thoughts?

[Tessa78]

Emilia’s mother was a maid. She got pregnant during an affair. Emilia’s bio-father was a lawyer.

After Emilia’s birth, she was given to a family who couldn’t have children. Emilia was not adopted. It was always believed that her surname was Romania. I thought children born out of wedlock/affairs were given their mother's surname?

This appears to be family lore.

Children born out of wedlock are only given the mother's name if she chooses to acknowledge the child as hers. This would have brought shame, so many mothers did not acknowledge. The child was then provided a given name AND a surname by the official. This surname was usually NOT a surname found in the town. It was a fantasy/made up surname.

It is unlikely that Emilia's surname was Romania given its importance in the town. UNLESS she was acknowledged by her bio-father. You would need to find the birth act to verify this.

T.

[delfgill]

Thanks for clarifying! My gr-grandmother had two sons out of wedlock and they had her surname. I thought only foundlings were named by the town official.

[Tessa78]

yes, the child is a foundling if the mother does not want to be named, and the official imposes the name.

If the mother acknowledges the child and she is named on the birth act then the child is given her surname.

Sometimes, the mother does not want to be named, BUT the father wants to acknowledge the child as his. Then the child is given the father's surname.


EDIT TO ADD:

Here is the marriage of the parents of the Giuli Sarli you bookmarked for further look.

Her parents were Antonio Raffaele Saverio Sarli, and Angela Ricciardi. Marriage in 1892 in Marsico,
The marriage did not take place at the Casa Comunale because the official received certification from the Surgeon that she was not well enough to travel.
Antonio, the groom, was 26, a gunsmith. He was born in Salerno -
Angela was 19, and born in Moliterno.
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T.