Need Help Deciphering Names

[MinnieB]

Hi,
I'm having some trouble deciphering a couple of names. The first one is a male first name, it looks like Palmo to me, does that seem right? You might have to zoom out on this one a bit to look at it. It may be too big.

Palmo?:
https://photos.app.goo.gl/ZaRdpEgZBYbKnuRf6

The next three are the same name from three different documents. The first name I'm pretty certain is Francesca, but I'm not sure about the last name. It looks like Matarrese or maybe Materassi, or perhaps I'm way off. Any other opinions on this one?

Francesca 1:
https://photos.app.goo.gl/qdsUGE6Zw1Y1uFN47

Francesca 2
https://photos.app.goo.gl/ytoDaZAhz6iqWDpo9

Francesca 3:
https://photos.app.goo.gl/QfKqtd2YpnUnHVZt9

Thanks for your help.

Minnie

[darkerhorse]

I couldn't zoom out so it's hard to read. I suppose it could be "Palmo" but there's also a first name "Calmo" in Italy.

What town for the surname?

[AngelaGrace56]

I read Francesca Matarrese for the first three links you have posted.

The last record you've linked us to is quite blurry. Can you link us to a clearer image with the complete document? Ta.

Angela

[MinnieB]

Hi, the town is Noci for all of them. I've uploaded the whole document for the Palmo/Calmo one. It can be found at the link below. It is the page on the right, fifth line down on the left, you'll see "di Palmo" or whatever that is. I didn't know Calmo was an Italian name. Thanks for you help with this.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/8nTwYRnBiSjh7LyQ7

[darkerhorse]

Palmo is a more common name than Calmo.

I wonder if it's the name of the place he's from, instead of part of his proper name.

[AngelaGrace56]

Hi, the town is Noci for all of them. I've uploaded the whole document for the Palmo/Calmo one. It can be found at the link below. It is the page on the right, fifth line down on the left, you'll see "di Palmo" or whatever that is. I didn't know Calmo was an Italian name. Thanks for you help with this.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/8nTwYRnBiSjh7LyQ7

Great! Thanks for posting the link to the Birth Record. It is so much clearer. It is always much better to post the full document, that way we can examine the script on the complete document for a comparison. If you take a look at the letter "P" in beginning of the child's name "Pietro Domenico" you will see that the letter "P" is formed similarly. I have also seen the capital letter "E" formed similarly in some records. So I'm reading, Giuseppe Bruno, son of Palmo.

BTW: Did you know the records for the town Noci are online. Take a look in the Priovince of Bari.

Angela

[MinnieB]

Thank you Angela! Yes, I did get the record from this site: https://www.antenati.san.beniculturali.it
However, for Noci, the records go from 1812 to 1900, then 1901 to 1929 on FamilySearch.org. I need to get records now after 1929 and into the 1700s. I've not yet found where I can get those online. If you know of any sites, please let me know.

[MinnieB]

Palmo is a more common name than Calmo.

I wonder if it's the name of the place he's from, instead of part of his proper name.

DarkerHorse,

I think it is his first name. In all of the records like that I have found they give the first name of the father's father in that spot. It's been a great help in being able to trace back. Thanks for taking a crack at it for me.

[AngelaGrace56]

Thank you Angela! Yes, I did get the record from this site: https://www.antenati.san.beniculturali.it
However, for Noci, the records go from 1812 to 1900, then 1901 to 1929 on FamilySearch.org. I need to get records now after 1929 and into the 1700s. I've not yet found where I can get those online. If you know of any sites, please let me know.

The Civil Records for Noci start at 1809. You should be able to find them on the antenati site. Before 1809 you would need to go to parish records. I don't see any on line. For later records that are not on line you would need to write the town of Noci.

Angela

[AngelaGrace56]

In case you haven't seen those earlier records, they are here: https://www.antenati.san.beniculturali. ... zione=Noci

You've probably already seen the full catalogue of records that have been filmed by Family Search: https://www.familysearch.org/search/cat ... %20Library

Unfortunately very few Marriage Allegati have been filmed by them, which are always a great source for bringing you back to pre civil record years. There may be other people who have researched Noci still on the forum. (I know the town has come up before on the forum.) You could start up a new post on the Genealogy forum here enquiring about Parish Records for Noci. Best to you.

Angela

[MinnieB]

Thanks Angela, I'll check it out.

I do have one more name to decipher. Page on the left, line 5, It says Gennaro D'Onghia figlio del fui and then the name, I'm not sure of. The end of the name looks like antonio, but I don't know, the first 3 characters don't make sense to me.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/Z1fcX4v1bsjmdKeA7

[Tessa78]

Vitantonio

T.

[AngelaGrace56]

Thanks Angela, I'll check it out.

I do have one more name to decipher. Page on the left, line 5, It says Gennaro D'Onghia figlio del fui and then the name, I'm not sure of. The end of the name looks like antonio, but I don't know, the first 3 characters don't make sense to me.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/Z1fcX4v1bsjmdKeA7

Glad I could help. Yes, the name is the deceased Vitantonio. Tessa was just a little quicker than me.

So what appears before his name is the word "fu" which literally means "was" so we know that he was deceased. If both parents were deceased it might have "furono" before Vitantonio, meaning "were" which we would understand to mean that both parents were deceased. (There is no mention of Vitantonio's wife in case you are wondering.)

Angela