Atti di nascita translation 1862

[MarcuccioV]

This one is a little hard for me. Need all pertinent info, parent's names (especially mother), ages, occupations, etc.

Febronia Algeri #159 Born 11 June 1862 in Patti (Messina)

https://www.antenati.san.beniculturali. ... 41/02yxRYj

Thanks in advance.

[PippoM]

Record date: Jun 11th, 1862
Declarant (father): Giovanni Algeri, 42 years old, "figolo", living at strada San Domenico
I had never seen the word "figolo". I've found in Internet that "fìgolo", or "figulo", might be a potter.
Mother: Antonina Collorasi (?), 35 years old, his wife
Child: Febronia, born and baptized on the same day in the church of San Nicolò

[MarcuccioV]

Thank you, Pippo. I was wondering about "figolo" myself -- I couldn't find an interpretation. I was struggling with the wife's maiden name, she's the person I need to research, as I think she is a link to my mtDNA line and somehow a female relative of hers ended up near Rome.

A mtDNA match to me had posted a family lore that Febronia may have been a foundling until I located this...

[MarcuccioV]

I scoured the Patti archives looking to confirm the mother's surname -- it's COLLORAFI. At least I now have a starting point.

[MarcuccioV]

UPDATE: I found a marriage record showing Antonina (sometimes Antonia) as born in Palermo in 1822 to Rosario and Caterina Manfre. I checked the 10-year birth indexes for Palermo and found 2 brothers (one born 1822 & one 1824) to Rosario COLORASI and Caterina Manfre (Antonia/Antonina is missing, although she should be a twin to the first brother).

So I believe I have found the right family at least. The line I need to follow now is that of Caterina (my mtDNA match line). She would have been born (based on the ages of her children) most likely in the 1790's in/near Palermo.

I think my next steps are to find any other female children in subsequent generations that might tie to one of my branches before attempting to go further back...

[darkerhorse]

What is Caterina's surname?

[darkerhorse]

Is this her?

Catarina Manfre found in
Catarina Manfre from tree Clampitt/Lombardi Family Tree
Record information.
Birth 1790 Patti, Messina, Sicilia, Italy
Death 13 Nov 1858 Patti, Messina, Sicilia, Italy
Record information.
Spouse Rosario Collorafi (1790-1880)
14513 People0 Records1 Source

[MarcuccioV]

Is this her?

Catarina Manfre found in
Catarina Manfre from tree Clampitt/Lombardi Family Tree
Record information.
Birth 1790 Patti, Messina, Sicilia, Italy
Death 13 Nov 1858 Patti, Messina, Sicilia, Italy
Record information.
Spouse Rosario Collorafi (1790-1880)
14513 People0 Records1 Source

Yes, I believe so. There are multiple persons in the same area born around the same year and with the same father's name. Now I'm not so sure which is which. I'll have to research it further. In any case I can't find any connections either way...

Multiple Manfre's, Collorafi's, Colorasi's, etc. Both in Patti and Palermo. I need time to sort it all out...

[darkerhorse]

Is your thinking that your mother's family identifies as Roman and you think their roots are Sicilian, so you're looking for ancestors in your maternal line like Caterina who came from Sicily?

[MarcuccioV]

Is your thinking that your mother's family identifies as Roman and you think their roots are Sicilian, so you're looking for ancestors in your maternal line like Caterina who came from Sicily?

Both grandparents seem to have distant rooting there. DNA and DNA matches show it, plus mtDNA matches most close to mine (one being an exact match) lead back to Sicily. This line I'm researching is tied to that match, which is why I'm trying to run down the female lines.

I have uprooted quite a few interesting clues, but the direct connections still elude me...

In all honesty, I don't think they really knew very much about their own ancestors. Practically all the previous gens to theirs were simply illiterate sharecroppers.

[MarcuccioV]

Based on the DNA evidence, there were Sicilian lines that made their way up to Rome, possibly with stops along the way (especially in Campania, as I have many matches also from that region). As to when this occurred is unknown, although I suspect it couldn't have been too far back or it would show up as it does.

Obviously once in Campania and/or Lazio, it began to dilute with local 'tribes'...

[darkerhorse]

Given that Rome had it's long fingers everywhere, your family might have originated in Rome and brought back a Sicilian wife and/or scion on an excursion.