Great Grandfather Death Record.

[deigo1]

Hello I was hoping to get a second opinion on this as I was trying to determine if this could be my GG x 5 death record Giovanni Bonetti from 1808. Trying to make sure I'm not missing something glaring.

I did not have this translated in the forum, but with the help of google translate and great hand writing for 1808 I think I have what it says below.
https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12 ... 35/0n6y7En

Giovanni Bartolameo Antonio Bonetti age 62, farmer, died on the eleventh day of February at nine in the morning. Widow of Malgheritta Biagini. Presenting were his son Giacomo Bonetti 21, a farmer, and Giacomo Balestri 62, a priest(?) all from Rannochio. Son of deceased Giacomo Bonetti and Domenica Ferrari.


I recently had found the marriage record of my GG x 4, Giacomo Bonetti, marriage translated (I'll post the link below from the forum) who was married later in the year in 1808. Per that record both of his parents Giovanni Bonetti and Lucia Ricci are listed as deceased and he is 22. The part that doesn't 100% align is that on the death record for Giovanni the noted wife is not the name of Giacomo's mother.

In this early time period would it be common for people to remarry if they lost a spouse? I was thinking perhaps Giacomo's mother died early given he is in his early 20's and both parents are deceased. I've went through all of the online archives from the Napoleonic period and all the records from Montese from 1852 to the 1920's and the only Bonetti's stem from my family line and from Rannochio. Given the different name of the wife it's not 100%, but if its possible what would be the best record to look for if the diocese could help me.

Marriage of his son:
https://www.italiangenealogy.com/forum/topic/53281

Thanks!
D.

[PippoM]

It doesn't solve the issue, and I don't know if you had already found them, but here, from image 60 on

https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12 ... 79/5KJpGkQ

you can find the birth certificates of Giacomo Bonetti and of his wife Anna.

[deigo1]

Thank you Pippo. I was hopeful it would have the name of Givoanni's father, but from it and the other marriage documents I did not see it, the one document did have Anna's.

As I went through the death records online starting in 1852 none of the Bonetti's had parents of Giovanni and Magheritta (so perhaps a later marriage with no children), I did find an additional child born to Giovanni and Lucia. ,Giacomo's parents, but none that would have been born after Giacomo. If this Giovanni was indeed his dad, that would have put him around age 40 when he had Giacomo, so possible if he remarried it would have been past child bearing years.

This would have been an older sister to Giacomo:
https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12 ... 56/5V3JlPE

Would the marriage record of Giovanni to Lucia be able to tell us for sure? If that document showed the parents as Giacomo and Domenica Ferrari for Giovanni, we could assume this was indeed his death record, and was remarried?

Thanks!
D.

[PippoM]

Would the marriage record of Giovanni to Lucia be able to tell us for sure? If that document showed the parents as Giacomo and Domenica Ferrari for Giovanni, we could assume this was indeed his death record, and was remarried?

Thanks!
D.

I think so.
Have you looked for the Maria Bonetti's marriage? It might add some info

[deigo1]

Good idea! I had not that about that, are you reading Luigi Serafini for her husband. I think it starts with an S, but not sure.

[PippoM]

Yes, Luigi Serafini

[deigo1]

Thanks Pippo, I did not see this marriage in the online records. I've written to the diocese to see if they could help on the marriage record of Giovanni and Luci, and will post back if they are able to locate anything. The diocese site says they have copies from 1801 onwards, but may have all records for what google is translating as suppressed "closed" parishes so perhaps they may have these onsite in their archives.

Thanks!
D.