Question on Late Marriage Year

[teckat]

Question on 1888 Late Marriage of Giuseppe Milici and Ignazia Ferraro__Belmonte, Mezzagno, Palermo, Sicilia.
They had 3 children in 1881/1885/1887.

On the 1888 record it looks like information on year 1877 ??, hard to translate entire statement.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cc=2051639

No. 28 Img. 2054

Nicholas n' Joan

[AngelaGrace56]

Yes, they also had a child in 1877, Act 9, Antonino Milici, son of Giuseppe Milici e Ignazia Ferraro.

Basically, at the bottom of the record four children are listed that were born from their union, before this marriage, whom they were recognizing as their own and legitimizing.

The other three children born to this couple were Angela Milicico, Salvatore Milici, and Giuseppe Milici. Their birth years are not noted but they probably tie in with what you have.



Angela

[teckat]

Thank you very much---looking over birth records/ see nothing about illegitimate child ?

Antonino Milici --searching

Angela Milici 1881-1854----https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cc=2051639

Salvatore Milici 1885-1944---https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cc=2051639

Giuseppe Milici 1887- after 1950---https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cc=2051639

Giovanni Milici 1892-1983

Anna Milici 1895-?

Nicholas n' Joan

[mmogno]

Yes, they also had a child on Oct 30, 1876, Act 191, Antonino Milici, son of Giuseppe Milici e Ignazia Ferraro.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cc=2051639

Basically, at the bottom of the record four children are listed that were born from their union, before this marriage, whom they were recognizing as their own and legitimizing.

The other three children born to this couple were Angela Milicico, Salvatore Milici, and Giuseppe Milici. Their birth years are not noted but they probably tie in with what you have.



Angela

[AngelaGrace56]

Thank you very much---looking over birth records/ see nothing about illegitimate child ?

Antonino Milici --searching

Angela Milici 1881-1854----https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cc=2051639

Salvatore Milici 1885-1944---https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cc=2051639

Giuseppe Milici 1887- after 1950---https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cc=2051639

Giovanni Milici 1892-1983

Anna Milici 1895-?

Nicholas n' Joan

No you are correct, there isn't. This would be because their father reported their mother as "his wife" and that's what the clerk wrote down on the birth records. As you know, the parents married some time after the children were born, therefore they were born "out of wedlock".

Angela

[teckat]

Amazing !!!!!
So actual proof on paper of Marriage was not questioned.

Thanks again to all, Nicholas n' Joan

[mmogno]

In the period 1870-1929 in the Kingdom of Italy religious marriage was not recognized by the State. So the citizens, mostly Catholics, who celebrated the religious one, should have celebrated a second, civil and distinct one. It happened very often that a couple, married in church, lived together and only later got married in the town hall, legitimizing the children.

[cedrone]

In Northern Italy (and particularly in Lombardia) I never saw this.
All were married with a civil marriage and of course also in the church.
What I don't know is which marriage was made first, but certainly very near in time, if not the same day.