Pinnelli Family

[bobtoni]

Greetings,

It has been great for all that you have researched regarding my father's family (Toscano).

I would now like to see if there are records available for my maternal grandfather. His name was James Vincenzo Pinnelli. This spelling of the last name is how it was here in the US. He was born in Grumento Nova as well. His birthdate was October 22, 1883. He was the only member of his family to migrate to the US. He had at least one brother, whose name I do not know. The other interesting bit of family gossip about him is that his grandfather had been a Catholic priest.

Robert Toscano re bobtoni

[mjclayton1]

Here you go...

Vincenzo PANNELLA's DOB is Oct 22 1882, not 1883. Father is Domenico, age 27, and Mother is Carmela Romaso (I think).


https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cc=2043547

Mark

[mjclayton1]

And here's the parents' Marriage Record...

Dated 21 Jan 1877 (No. 2)
Groom - Domenico Pannella - age 21
Father is (living) Vincenzo
Mother is (living) Maria Giannone


Bride - Carmela Romaso - age 16
Father is unknown
Mother is Maria Romaso

PANNELLA Domenico and ROMASO Carmela Atti di Matrimonio (21 Jan 1877)(No. 2).jpg

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[erudita74]

https://www.italyheritage.com/genealogy ... tonova.htm

Romaso surname is correct. Posted the above link in case you need it for any other research in this town.

[mjclayton1]

I had a whole thing typed up on this latest find (Vincenzo's paternal grandparents' 1834 Marriage Record), but I got logged out at this "buggy" site and then that was ruined (which REALLY ticks me off ), so see the link below instead...

https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12 ... 80/LpKRbp1


I'm good at finding records, but given my (very) recent experience I think I'll let others better at translating than me do that here. I will say that Vincenzo Pannella (meaning 1882 Vincenzio's grandfather) appears to have had a prior wife before (Angiola) Maria Giannone. Interesting, too, that she was from Monte Cervino.

Mark

[Edit: one thing to add is that the noted mother of Angiola Maria Giannone looks like to be "Salba", but the Index reference for this marriage definitely appears to show Sarapo instead...]

[mjclayton1]

Not Vincenzo's brother here, rather, his uncle (Domenico's older brother), but still...

No. 69
Born: 17 May 1852
Name: Raffaelle Pannella
Father is Vincenzo, fu Antonio, age 40
Mother is Maria Giannone, age 30

https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12 ... DP?lang=en

PANNELLA Raffaelle Atti di Nascita (17 May 1852)(No. 69(pg. 1).jpg

PANNELLA Raffaelle Atti di Nascita (17 May 1852)(No. 69(pg. 2).jpg

[AngelaGrace56]

Interesting, too, that she was from Monte Corvino.

Mark

[Edit: one thing to add is that the noted mother of Angiola Maria Giannone looks like to be "Salba", but the Index reference for this marriage definitely appears to show Sarapo instead...]

Hi Mark

They obviously made an error in the index. In the marriage record, marriage banns and Angiola's Birth record it is written as "Salba" but it could also be "Alba" You could check the original birth record to be sure. (It's definitely not Sarapo, which is a name that appears in Saponara. I always search for the original birth record in my own research, just to be sure, as clerical errors often occur in birth extracts which are handwritten copies of the original record.)

Marriage Banns of Vincenzo Pannella and Angiola Maria Giannone:
https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12 ... 09/LmRdOdb

1814 Birth No 8 Extract: Angiola Maria Giannone
Registered in Montecorvino Pugliano on 10 March 1814
https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12 ... 23/5VPya2V

Angela

[AngelaGrace56]

https://www.italyheritage.com/genealogy ... tonova.htm

Romaso surname is correct. Posted the above link in case you need it for any other research in this town.

This list was compiled in the mid 1990's so you have got to remember that all the names that appeared in the 1700's, 1800's and early 1900's might not appear on that list. Also there seems to be quite a few names there that are not original Saponara di Grumento/Grumento Nova names. It is really good to have it to refer to though as a lot of people don't have their names registered in the Italian White Pages anymore, plus it is such a small town now.

Angela

[mjclayton1]

Hi, Angela-

Thanks for the correction and info. Although I can track down records pretty well, obviously, I'm still an "amateur' with a lot of this other stuff (interpretations, localities, records and historical nuances, etc.). It was the first time I had seen "Salba" (it seems like, "ever"), which is why I was skeptical of that surname. Further, I didn't have the time to do any follow-up (reconciliation), so good job in following up and setting me straight.

Mark

[AngelaGrace56]

Hi, Angela-

Thanks for the correction and info. Although I can track down records pretty well, obviously, I'm still an "amateur' with a lot of this other stuff (interpretations, localities, records and historical nuances, etc.). It was the first time I had seen "Salba" (it seems like, "ever"), which is why I was skeptical of that surname. Further, I didn't have the time to do any follow-up (reconciliation), so good job in following up and setting me straight.

Mark

Hi again

You are welcome for the help, Mark. I thought you did really well finding those records so quickly and interpreting them. I was out most of the day yesterday and didn’t have time to help. On arrival home I very quickly read what was there and saw your query about the name Salba and so followed up. I didn’t closely check the content of the records you posted as I didn’t have time, and I’m sure you’ll have it sorted correctly. (Sorry that you lost a lot of your findings. I remember that happening once or twice to me so I always type everything up first on a separate document and then copy and paste to the forum.) Last week was pretty full on volunteering here, together with keeping things ticking over on the home front, etc, so I’m trying to focus on translations at the moment, which arn't as time consuming, and I really enjoy the challenge of deciphering, at times, difficult script.

Best to you.
Angela

[bobtoni]

I have a question about some of the records that I am seeing when I look at the links. The first pdf is a copy of the detail for my grandfather's birth on October 22, 1882. I am also seeing another document (second pdf) that is a birth record for a Vincenzo Clemente Pannella born July 4, 1980. Can you help me understand who this may be?

Thanks.

[AngelaGrace56]

I have a question about some of the records that I am seeing when I look at the links. The first pdf is a copy of the detail for my grandfather's birth on October 22, 1882. I am also seeing another document (second pdf) that is a birth record for a Vincenzo Clemente Pannella born July 4, 1980. Can you help me understand who this may be?

Thanks.

Vincenzo Clemente Pannella (looks to be spelt Pennella) is the brother of your grandfather. It’s been indexed incorrectly. The mother is Carmela Romaso, not Carmela Romano. I’m happy to translate both the records for you. Will post shortly.

Birth No 56: Vincenzo Clemente Pennella

Registered Saponara di Grumento on 4 July 1880

Appearing before the official was Domenico Pennella, 25 yo, contadino living in Saponara. He reported that at 4.15 am on 4 of the current month, in the house in Contrada Destro, no number given, from Carmela Romaso, his wife, a contadina, living with him, was born a baby of male sex who he presented to me (the official) and gave the name of Vincenzo Clemente.

The other names there are the witnesses to the birth registration proceedings.


Your link doesn’t work so well. Here’s a better link: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cc=2043547


Edit to Add:

Translation of your grandfather's birth record, previously located and posted by Mark:

Birth No 85: Vincenzo Pannella
Registered in Saponara di Grumento on 24 October 1882

Appearing was Domenico Pannella, 27 yo, contadino, living in this town. He reported that at 1.30 am, on 22 October 1882, in the house in via Destro , No 730, from Carmela Romaso, his wife, a contadina, living with him, was born a baby boy of male sex, who he presented and gave the name of Vincenzo.
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Angela

[mjclayton1]

Good find, Angela. Sorry, but I had found this "other" Vincenzo myself yesterday, but have been too busy at work to post the record. I also found another sibling to Domenico and Rafaelle: Vincenzo Antonio Pannella

Record No. 101
Appearing was Vincenzo Pannella, son of deceased of Antonio, age 40, pastore (shepherd) living in Saponara, presented a male child, born of his wife Maria Giannone, contadina, age 30, living in Saponara and of (with) the declarant, Vincenzo Pannella, of age as above, on the 14th of the month of September of the said year at 10 in his home, the same has also declared to give the newborn the name of ANTONIO


https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12 ... 1v?lang=en


Antonio then married Antonia Caputi in 1894:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cc=2043547

PANNELLA Antonio and CAPUTI Antonia Atti di Matrimonio (28 Jun 1894)(No. 8).jpg

You also have Teresa Pannella as a sibling of Domenico and Rafaelle:

https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12 ... OQ?lang=en


Sorry, gotta run...

PANNELLA Antonio and CAPUTI Antonia Pubblicazioni di Matrimonio (7 Jun 1894)(No. 9)(fu Vincenzo and fu GIANNONE Maria AND fu Vincenzo and di DI PARSIA Grazia).jpg

[mjclayton1]

Teresa Pannella's (vedova di Francesco Liucci) Birth and Death records...

https://antenati.cultura.gov.it/ark:/12 ... OQ?lang=en

PANNELLA Teresa Atti di Nascita (6 May 1843)(No. 46)(pg 1).jpg

PANNELLA Teresa Atti di Nascita (6 May 1843)(No. 46)(pg 2).jpg

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PANNELLA Teresa Atti di Morte (3 Dec 1897)(No. 47)(fu Vincenzo and fu GIANNIONE Maria)(vedova di LIUCCI Francesco).jpg

[mjclayton1]

Antonio and Antonia's son Fedele's death record...

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cc=2043547

PANNELLA Fidele Atti di Morte (17 Aug 1896)(No. 34)(di Antonio and CAPUTI Antonia)(anni mesi undici).jpg