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[duchesswolff]

Well, I think I have a problem on my hands now. May 2009 I sent off letters requesting documents. I have not received them yet. the problem is that I have sold my house and have moved. The mail will be forwarded for a year, but I am worried that I have received no email or 'snail' mail to know if anything has been found or not.

Any suggestions??

Thank you very much,

Wolff

[duchesswolff]

please?...

[donnawright]

I'll tell you what I would do, but I am very inexperienced. I received one reply from my requests for information from a comune, and it took them six months to send it. However, on the "summary" page, it indicated the date of my request, the date of my followup request about 45 or so days later, and the date of my third followup request and then the date of their reply. Since then, I have sent another request several months ago and, at their request, sent an envelope with my address and Italian postage on it for their return reply. They didn't request Italian postage, but I figured it was my best shot. Please see my private message also.

[jack182183]

Hello,

I actually wrote the wrong town in my previous post. Raffaele Riggio and Aquilla Tenuta were married in Marano Principato and website of other records in that town are here:

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.anc ... p_main.htm

As they married in Marano Principato, it is very likely that Aquila was from that town as Italian women married in their home town usually.

I would also try to find the record yourself instead of writing to Italy using the Family History Centers and ordering the microfilm you need for Cerisano. The film number is:

Nati (Births) 1866-1900 1607680 Items 3-4

To find your nearest center, go here:
http://www.familysearch.org/eng/library ... et_fhc.asp

You also might try ancestry's new expert connect program of someone who can find the record in the microfilm themselves.

I have a large database of families from S. Vincenzo la Costa and this family shows up, as Serafino Riggio, Gabriele Riggio, and Alessandro Riggio (All children of Raffaele and Aquila) married in S. Vincenzo la Costa. Also, Francesco married Margherita Ersilia Berardi in Rome, as this was where she originally was from. Their son Oscar was born in 1906 in S. Vincenzo.

[duchesswolff]

Jack,

You give the surname as Riggio, however our surname is Ricchio. Is the former a variation, or perhaps a regional form of Ricchio?

Suanj helped me with the proper letters and whatnot, so I am confidant that they were correct, as she found the records in her searches.

I am just concerned that the amount of time it is taking might mean that they have forgotten about it, or perhaps that it has been mislaid. And, like so many I have spoken to already about this have said, that you don't really want to annoy them, or one will never get the records! I am third generation Italian-American, so I tend not to argue on that point!!

Hmmm... what to do...

[ChrisMosca]

there were two enlistment records at the Archivio di stato di Cosenza, being born in two different comunes. i didn't know if you knew this already or not.

1)
Ufficio Leva della Provincia di Cosenza, Enlistment year 1876.Volume number 136,
document number 115 page 289 section a
Francesco Ricchio, contadino enlisted on 30/06/1896
born on 27/09/1876 to CERISANO
son/daughter of Raffaele Ricchio and of Aquila Demetri


2)
SIAS Code IT-ASCS-F680258
Ufficio Leva della Provincia di Cosenza, Enlistment year 1876.Volume number 135,
document number 63 page 241 section c
Francesco Ricchio, contadino enlisted on 22/05/1896
born on 27/09/1876 to SAN VINCENZO LA COSTA
son/daughter of Raffaele Ricchio and of Aquila Tenuta



the other interesting thing, is that I found other siblings of francesco with the same parents names but also same birth date as francesco, I think it might be an error in their system

Ufficio Leva della Provincia di Cosenza, Enlistment year 1876.Volume number 135,
document number 83 page 248 section b
Gabriele Ricchio, contadino enlisted on 22/05/1896
born on 27/09/1876 to SAN VINCENZO LA COSTA
son/daughter of Raffaele Ricchio and of Aquila Tenuta

this one looks good, another brother possibly?

Ufficio Leva della Provincia di Cosenza, Enlistment year 1876.Volume number 136,
document number 122 page 291 section b
Serafino Ricchio, contadino enlisted on --/--/----
born on 05/04/1874 to CERISANO
son/daughter of Raffaele Ricchio and of Aquila Tenuta

[ChrisMosca]

sorry for the double post!!!! I didn't read all of the posts from the previous page. just ignore my posts.

[duchesswolff]

Chris,

Yes, it seems they had some issues. However, the Cerisano one is the correct one, and Gabriele and Francesco were identical twins! Good call! Serafino was also a sib.

The 'Demetri' surname was an error. Tenuta is the correct one. Those Tenuta descendants are actually living a county away from me today! They own an Italian grocery with imported Italian foods - oh my goodness, my mouth is watering just typing abut it!!!!

I do not think you should apologize for replying with information given previously. It is always better to have several data providers giving what they have in order to verify, compare and validate the information! My husband tells his college students this: "What do you think, what do you know, and most importantly - what can you prove?" So, never apologize!

Wolff

[duchesswolff]

Unfortunately, after sending requests multiple times, I still have not received a reply for marriage record on Francesco Ricchio and Margherita Berardi , nor for her birth record. I did get Francesco's birth record, and was very happy to get it! But, without the other two documents, I cannot go forward with dual citizenship. Suanj...any advice??

[suanj]

I'll tell you what I would do, but I am very inexperienced. I received one reply from my requests for information from a comune, and it took them six months to send it. However, on the "summary" page, it indicated the date of my request, the date of my followup request about 45 or so days later, and the date of my third followup request and then the date of their reply. Since then, I have sent another request several months ago and, at their request, sent an envelope with my address and Italian postage on it for their return reply. They didn't request Italian postage, but I figured it was my best shot. Please see my private message also.

Sorry, but in the their reply what it was wrote?? that they sent the certificates or not??

[suanj]

Unfortunately, after sending requests multiple times, I still have not received a reply for marriage record on Francesco Ricchio and Margherita Berardi , nor for her birth record. I did get Francesco's birth record, and was very happy to get it! But, without the other two documents, I cannot go forward with dual citizenship. Suanj...any advice??

Again me... you receveid just the birth certificate of Francesco, but no the marriage certificate and Margherita Ersilia Berardi/Brandi... it is so? the birth certificate of Margherita you request in San Vincenzo La Costa? as a well the marriage certificate? On Francesco birth certificate no marriage note?? If so the marriage was no transcribed also in Cerisano... and if you sent the marriage certificate request in Cerisano they have not....
when a Commune no reply meaning that the some data provided are wrong...
the right Margherita maiden name is BERARDI
here the arrival:
First Name: Margherita
Last Name: Berardi
Ethnicity: Italy, Italian South
Last Place of Residence:
Date of Arrival: Oct 25, 1909
Age at Arrival: 26Y Gender: F Marital Status: M
Ship of Travel: Duca Degli Abruzzi
Port of Departure: Napoli
Manifest Line Number: 0029

http://www.ellisisland.org/search/shipM ... 0270%2ETIF
born and resident in San Vincenzo La Costa, so married in this town... she was 26 old in 1909 so born around 1883 and not in 1887!

Married 31 Dec 1905 in Italy to Margherita Ersilia Berardi (other: Brandi/e) b. 15 Aug 1887 in San Vincenzo la Costa, Italy d. 24 Dec 1957 in Racine, WI, USA

my advice is :
to search Margherita birth record and marriage record here:
Registri dello stato civile di San Vincenzo la Costa (Cosenza), 1809-1910
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authors: San Vincenzo la Costa (Cosenza). Ufficio dello stato civile 1809-1910
Births, marriages, banns, deaths, marriage documents.
format: Manuscript/Manuscript on Film
language: Italian
publication: Salt Lake City, Utah : Filmati dalla Genealogical Society of Utah, 1989-1990
physical: in 15 bobine di microfilm ; 16 mm.
https://www.familysearch.org/search/cat ... m%2F486686
and knowing all right data to make the right request providing all exact data...

suanj