Certification of Nonexistence of a Record

[Mulé]

Wow that was super quick... What was the wording on it? part 4 I think on most letters...

[cdevita]

"That after a diligent search was performed in these database systems; no record is found to exist relating to the subject listed below:"

The new statement they are now requiring is only issued to those who have ancestors who may have a declariation of intent to naturalize, or have ANY record, but never complete the process. This seems to be what the situation is in NY only.

[cdevita]

Also, along with a copy of the letter from USCIS--I sent to them copies of everything from NARA, NY County clerks office, USCIS, 1930 census report, birth certificate, etc. I guess I did a lot of work for them...

[Drew927]

I've been waiting two months to hear from the USCIS. In the mean time I have collected No Records Found letters from four other sources relating to the counties in which my grandfather lived (including NARA).

I am also going through the NY Consulate, so can you tell me how you worded your request to USCIS to get the required response? I am certain that he never applied for naturalization so i've also included a certified copy of the 1930 census.

[Mulé]

I also included all my back up no records data with my request.

I got both of these responses back...

1. 2009 USCIS no records certification
"That after a diligent search was performed in these database systems, no record was found to exist indicating that the subject listed below obtained naturalization as a citizen of the United States:"
Searched for the exact name, plus 2 mis-spellings as appeared on 1920/1930 census.

2. 2009 USCIS no records certification with 3 alternate spellings
"That after a diligent search was performed in these database systems; no record is found to exist relating to the subject listed below:"
Searched for the exact name, plus the Italian version.

[Drew927]

Ok, thanks. I will send my request again and add the back up no records data. Hopefully I will get some results.

[cdevita]

@Mulé: Are you in NY?

[Mulé]

Nope - I am in New Hampshire

[cdevita]

Just wondering why this better except was used on your letter--"That after a diligent search was performed in these database systems, no record was found to exist indicating that the subject listed below obtained naturalization as a citizen of the United States:"

[Mulé]

I am not sure. I do know that I sent off 6 letters to USCIS requesting this non-existence letter. The first three I did not include any of the supporting documentation or facts, which I sent to each of the three addresses posted. About 2 weeks later, I sent out another set, with full facts and supporting no records letters. Within a couple of weeks I got back the first response, then another 2 (duplicate) responses with this NEW wording. I presented both at my meeting and they still requested additional proof. lol

[shannonsapt]

Congrats on getting all of your documents!

I am also going to be applying in Los Angeles and need to obtain certificates of non-existence for my great grandfather.

I think I've figured out how to do the index search at USCIS, but I have not been able to figure out how to do a census record search, NARA search and county clerk search and then get the certified letters of no record. I have been all over the internet. message boards, websites, etc. and I can't seem to figure it out.

Would you be willing to share how you got those documents and any advice/tips you may have. My GGF lived in New York State when he was here, so I'm guessing the county court search would need to be a New York State court?

Thank you in advance for any help.

[shannonsapt]

Congrats on getting all of your documents!

I am also going to be applying in Los Angeles and need to obtain certificates of non-existence for my great grandfather.

I think I've figured out how to do the index search at USCIS, but I have not been able to figure out how to do a census record search, NARA search and county clerk search and then get the certified letters of no record. I have been all over the internet. message boards, websites, etc. and I can't seem to figure it out.

Would you be willing to share how you got those documents and any advice/tips you may have. My GGF lived in New York State when he was here, so I'm guessing the county court search would need to be a New York State court?

Thank you in advance for any help.

[DeFilippis78]

Shannonsapt,

You might want to start a new thread for your question requesting help so more people will see it

Alicia

[shannonsapt]

Good idea, Alicia!

I will do that.