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[ricbru]

The researcher is not allowed to go in the civil record archive kept at court house. No one is from outside.
That civil record office is only for the court house burocracy.
So this is way he didnt mention it.
As I said earlier, if the registrar has not the record in his civil record office because it is destroyed, burned out, or swapt away from flood, he is the only one who can request the copy from the real record, with the seal "true copy" and seal of courthouse.
Riccardo

[hollyolly7]

I've got a similar situation. My GGF's birth certificate from the comune of Ottone wasn't found, but I was able to get his atto di battesimo. The only problem with this now is that its handwritten in latin. No translator wants to translate since it is handwritten and I, yet again, have no way of proving my GGF ever existed in Italy.
I wrote for his military records today to the Archivi di Piacenza after seeing this post. Can that be enough? What will it have on it? He left Italy at 27 years old so he definately did military service. Is there anything else I would be able to get? Grazie in anticipo

[sceaminmonkey]

Also I am not see on which church my ggf was baptized in how can I find out

[ricbru]

Hello, is that atto di battesimo coming from a church?
Why the priest is not giving you a bapt certificate and not the original record written in latin?
You can always ask for help to the Diocesi of Piacenza, maybe it can issue some kind of certificate.
I hope it helps
bye Riccardo

I've got a similar situation. My GGF's birth certificate from the comune of Ottone wasn't found, but I was able to get his atto di battesimo. The only problem with this now is that its handwritten in latin. No translator wants to translate since it is handwritten and I, yet again, have no way of proving my GGF ever existed in Italy.
I wrote for his military records today to the Archivi di Piacenza after seeing this post. Can that be enough? What will it have on it? He left Italy at 27 years old so he definately did military service. Is there anything else I would be able to get? Grazie in anticipo

[ricbru]

please give me, if you want, all the informations about your ancestor, in order to see where he would have been baptized
ciao Riccardo

Also I am not see on which church my ggf was baptized in how can I find out

[sceaminmonkey]

Sure I would like that shoot me an email on the price. But out of curiosity how would you even find out . I thought it was a church by church basis.

[hollyolly7]

It's probably because the church is extremely small--in the sense that my GGF's town is one street long with about 5 residents that live there all year.
Things I've gotten from the comune of Ottone were written with a typewritter so figurati, eh!
So, if I write to the diocesi of Piacenza they may be able to help me?
Thanks again..

[ricbru]

Well, if the town is extremely small, it means that there is a priest in charge of many parishes, that one of Ottone is one of the parish.
I'm sure those church records are kept somewhere else, so the priest may issue for you the bapt certificate, so you can apply for italian citizenship.
Now you should need to contact the right priest of that little church.
I hope it helps
bye Riccardo

[sceaminmonkey]

he was born in Napoli , Napoli I believe he lived on Via Pignasecca should I send an email with more info?

[hollyolly7]

So it would be the Diocesi of Piacenza that I need to write to, correct?? Or the Archivio?

[ricbru]

Napoli has several city district, so the registrar knows what city district it belongs to, on 1887 there is not population registry records
Let me know
bye Riccardo

he was born in Napoli , Napoli I believe he lived on Via Pignasecca should I send an email with more info?

[ricbru]

You can contact both, for sure the Diocesi of Piacenza knows who is the priest in charge for the church of Ottone
I hope it helps
bye Riccardo

So it would be the Diocesi of Piacenza that I need to write to, correct?? Or the Archivio?

[johnnyonthespot]

Screaminmonkey, I just want to offer a ray of hope in regards to the military records:

Today I received from the archives of Cosenza the Lista di Leva page for my maternal grandfather's elder brother. It clearly states his name, his place and date of birth (July 7, 1883), his father's given name and his mother's maiden name. All as expected.

The surprise (for me, because I knew next to nothing about this man), is in the "DECISIONI" column, the column which would indicate whether he was deemed fit for military duty, etc. In this column, in an entry dated June 19, 1903, it clearly states that he was removed from the list due to his death on December 12, 1884.

So, this gives me great hope that in the case of your ancestor, there would have been a Registro/Lista di Leva entry for him, even though he left Italy before reaching compulsory service age.

See http://italiangenealogy.com/Forums/view ... tml#136515

[sceaminmonkey]

Wow yes that gives me great hope. thanks for sharing your post Carmine. You always seem to give a little hope. I'm also a little impressed by the record keeping of the communes of the time. How long did it take you to hear from them ? My appointment is early dec 2010 I'm hoping to present something to atleast let me reschedule.

Thanks as always!
Dave

[jennabet]

Still his name on the Lista di Leva does not mean he was born in Italy or that his father was Italian. The birth/baptism record is the only thing that will prove this.