need help with reading a death record
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need help with reading a death record
i would appreciate if someone would translate this record for me
http://home.comcast.net/~carmen_furtado ... 9d1a1-.jpg
if a woman dies - is she listed under her maiden or married name
on the trani records i save the index to my hard drive and view it from there
that way i don't have to deal with that annoying viewer
thanks
carmen
http://home.comcast.net/~carmen_furtado ... 9d1a1-.jpg
if a woman dies - is she listed under her maiden or married name
on the trani records i save the index to my hard drive and view it from there
that way i don't have to deal with that annoying viewer
thanks
carmen
Re: need help with reading a death record
The translation...carmenvalenziano wrote:i would appreciate if someone would translate this record for me
http://home.comcast.net/~carmen_furtado ... 9d1a1-.jpg
if a woman dies - is she listed under her maiden or married name MAIDEN NAME
on the trani records i save the index to my hard drive and view it from there
that way i don't have to deal with that annoying viewer
thanks
carmen
Record #135
Dated 21 March 1871 at the town office at 11 AM
Before the official ….. in Trani….
Appeared Giambattista Laprete of deceased Benedetto, age 54, shoemaker; and Michele Magnetti of deceased Francesco, age 48, laborer; both residing in Trani,
to declare the death this morning, the 21st of the aforesaid month at 7 AM at the home of Giusppe Mastromauro in this town at Strada Porta di Barletta; died Antonio Valenziano, 52, peasant farmer born and residing in Trani; son of deceased married couple Nicola Valenziano and Maria Giuseppe Palmieri; husband if deceased Anna Lucia d’Oria who resided here.
Only the official signed the record
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Re: need help with reading a death record
hi tessa
i didn't think this was the correct one because i had antonio's father's name as bartolo - but when i looked closely at antonio's permission to marry
http://home.comcast.net/~carmen_furtado ... 9i1a1-.jpg
it does say nicola and right before lucia is the name anna
spent the last two days fixing files
http://home.comcast.net/~carmen_furtado ... 0gv_g.html
thank you
carmen
i didn't think this was the correct one because i had antonio's father's name as bartolo - but when i looked closely at antonio's permission to marry
http://home.comcast.net/~carmen_furtado ... 9i1a1-.jpg
it does say nicola and right before lucia is the name anna
spent the last two days fixing files
http://home.comcast.net/~carmen_furtado ... 0gv_g.html
thank you
carmen
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Hi Carmen
Yes, I can see why you read his father's name as Bartolo... that is why we always like to verify with other records... - FYI - this is not a "permission" but rather a "Solemn Promise to Marry"
AND... nice job your your files!
However, Mother is Maria Giuseppe Palmieri in both records - with an "e" not an "a" - much clearer in the death record.
T.
Yes, I can see why you read his father's name as Bartolo... that is why we always like to verify with other records... - FYI - this is not a "permission" but rather a "Solemn Promise to Marry"
AND... nice job your your files!
However, Mother is Maria Giuseppe Palmieri in both records - with an "e" not an "a" - much clearer in the death record.
T.
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In this document:
http://home.comcast.net/~carmen_furtado ... 9i1a1-.jpg
Antonio Valenziano was born June 15, 1819
The bride is Anna Lucia d'Oria, born March 21, 1827
Father: Giuseppe d'Oria, who was a cab driver (di condizione vetturale)
Mother: Maria "di Martino"
Anna Lucia's birth record is available here: http://www.antenati.san.beniculturali.i ... ewsIndex=0 she was baptized on March 25. Her mother was 28 yo and her father was 31.
http://home.comcast.net/~carmen_furtado ... 9i1a1-.jpg
Antonio Valenziano was born June 15, 1819
The bride is Anna Lucia d'Oria, born March 21, 1827
Father: Giuseppe d'Oria, who was a cab driver (di condizione vetturale)
Mother: Maria "di Martino"
Anna Lucia's birth record is available here: http://www.antenati.san.beniculturali.i ... ewsIndex=0 she was baptized on March 25. Her mother was 28 yo and her father was 31.
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This Antonio's birth record: http://www.antenati.san.beniculturali.i ... ewsIndex=0
his mother name is Maria Giuseppa
his mother name is Maria Giuseppa
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Yes, most clearly Maria Giuseppa in this birth record...liviomoreno wrote:This Antonio's birth record: http://www.antenati.san.beniculturali.i ... ewsIndex=0
his mother name is Maria Giuseppa
So death record is incorrect with Maria Giuseppe?
T.
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I would say that the death record is incorrect...
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thank you tessa and liviomoreno
i'm redoing all my files now
i found this one - is it giuseppe valenziano - born june 19, 1850?
http://www.antenati.san.beniculturali.i ... 8.jpg.html
terrible penmanship - but it looks like lucia d'oria on there
thanks
carmen
i'm redoing all my files now
i found this one - is it giuseppe valenziano - born june 19, 1850?
http://www.antenati.san.beniculturali.i ... 8.jpg.html
terrible penmanship - but it looks like lucia d'oria on there
thanks
carmen
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19 June 1850 at 3 PMcarmenvalenziano wrote:thank you tessa and liviomoreno
i'm redoing all my files now
i found this one - is it giuseppe valenziano - born june 19, 1850?
http://www.antenati.san.beniculturali.i ... 8.jpg.html
terrible penmanship - but it looks like lucia d'oria on there
thanks
carmen
Before the official in Trani appeared Felicia Canalotti(sp?), 44, midwife, to present a male child born to Lucia d’Oria of Trani, age 24; and to Antonio Valenziano of Trani, her husband, age 29, peasant farmer residing at Vico ???, on the 19th of the month of June 1850 at 8 AM, at home.
The child was given the name Giuseppe..
NOTATION:
On 4 September 1880, act #145 in Trani, Giuseppe Valenziano of deceased Antonio, married with Marianna Calefato of deceased Vincenzo.
T.
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I was lucky enough to find immediately the "Allegati" for the Marriage of Giuseppe Valenziano and Marianna Calefato: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/T ... ,348758001
They include Marianna's birth certificate:
She was born in Trani Dec 19 1753 to Vincenzo, aged 33 and to Donata Tito aged 30. (The actual birth record is here: http://www.antenati.san.beniculturali.i ... ewsIndex=0)
They include Marianna's birth certificate:
She was born in Trani Dec 19 1753 to Vincenzo, aged 33 and to Donata Tito aged 30. (The actual birth record is here: http://www.antenati.san.beniculturali.i ... ewsIndex=0)
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You must have been very excited to have located that allegati so quickly -liviomoreno wrote:I was lucky enough to find immediately the "Allegati" for the Marriage of Giuseppe Valenziano and Marianna Calefato: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/T ... ,348758001
They include Marianna's birth certificate:
She was born in Trani Dec 19 1853 to Vincenzo, aged 33 and to Donata Tito aged 30. (The actual birth record is here: http://www.antenati.san.beniculturali.i ... ewsIndex=0)
Great find!
T.
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Tessa78 wrote:You must have been very excited to have located that allegati so quickly -liviomoreno wrote:I was lucky enough to find immediately the "Allegati" for the Marriage of Giuseppe Valenziano and Marianna Calefato: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/T ... ,348758001
They include Marianna's birth certificate:
She was born in Trani Dec 19 1853 to Vincenzo, aged 33 and to Donata Tito aged 30. (The actual birth record is here: http://www.antenati.san.beniculturali.i ... ewsIndex=0)
Great find!
T.
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Re: need help with reading a death record
thank you liviomoreno - i was able to put birth years for vincenzo calefato and donata tito - i cannot understand why i cannot find their birth records or marriage - the closest i could find:
1842 #84
http://www.antenati.san.beniculturali.i ... 1.jpg.html
1820 #495
http://www.antenati.san.beniculturali.i ... 2.jpg.html
this is discouraging
carmen
1842 #84
http://www.antenati.san.beniculturali.i ... 1.jpg.html
1820 #495
http://www.antenati.san.beniculturali.i ... 2.jpg.html
this is discouraging
carmen
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i changed the spellings to the correct one and added the new information to marianna calefato - thanks tessa and liviomoreno