Deciphering maiden name -help-

[Sus80]

Oh great, thank you, that's what I needed

[Sus80]

I think I found the birth record I was looking for!!

Andrea Monteverde, father Giacomo, I can see it's June 1881, but I cant decipher the day...
It should be 21st , at least according to Andrea's WW II draft record...
But the name of the mother doesn't seem to fit, except "Maria".

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/T ... 1,51282801

So excited!

[Sus80]

Please, I need to know if the birth date is June 21st 1881 on this birth record!

[AngelaGrace56]

The date of birth is 17 (diciassette) June. The mother's name is Angela Maria Calagrande? Giacomo Monteverde was aged 42 (so born approx 1839) if that is of any help to you.
Angela

[Sus80]

Thank you
Somehow my post from 20 minutes ago didn't...post, there was a lot of information in there*sigh*.

We think now that his mother died when he was an infant or very young child and his father may have remarried, a Maria Pichetto, will look through the records for a marriage act...

[AngelaGrace56]

You are very welcome.

In your related thread : http://www.italiangenealogy.com/forum/i ... logy/34847
you are suggesting that “They might come from Santo Stefano d'Aveto, Genoa or San Stefano, Portoria, Genoa.”

Is there a reason why you are looking for records from San Colombano Certenoli?

Just a suggestion: It might be best if you keep to the other thread that you have started for “Monteverde Family”.
Angela:-)

[Sus80]

@ Tessa
@Marty

Hi,

while I wait for a response from Santo Stefano about Andrea Monteverde, perhaps you can help me with emails I want to write to obtain a few birth records?

The information about Carlo Bazzurro states his exact date and place of death, do you think if I write to Struppa, they can give me a birth record for him? They all come from Struppa, he probably was born there, too.
Would I use the same text as for Andrea Monteverde (text from Marty) just exchange the name and date?
And perhaps I can ask for his marriage record with Rosa (unknown maiden name)?
That could give me Rosa's parent's names...

And perhaps I could find a birth record for Bernardo Siri, he was born in 1785 in Acqui Terme, Allessandria, Piemonte. He married and died in Montoggio, Genova, but perhaps Acqui Terme has his birth record?
For him I could use the exact same text as for Andrea Monteverde? Just names and dates exchanged

Thanks for reading!

Edit: Just realized this will not be easy, back then they had only parish/church books, correct?...

[Sus80]

Is there a reason why you are looking for records from San Colombano Certenoli?

Just a suggestion: It might be best if you keep to the other thread that you have started for “Monteverde Family”.
Angela:-)

Sorry, Angela, I overlooked your reply here!
Yes there is a reason, a passenger list from 1900 (which corrsponds better with information from the US censuses about when he immigrated) states his last place of residence as "Cichero". That's part of San Colombano Certenoli.

[adelfio]

@ Tessa
@Marty

Hi,

while I wait for a response from Santo Stefano about Andrea Monteverde, perhaps you can help me with emails I want to write to obtain a few birth records?

The information about Carlo Bazzurro states his exact date and place of death, do you think if I write to Struppa, they can give me a birth record for him? They all come from Struppa, he probably was born there, too.
Would I use the same text as for Andrea Monteverde (text from Marty) just exchange the name and date?
And perhaps I can ask for his marriage record with Rosa (unknown maiden name)?
That could give me Rosa's parent's names...

And perhaps I could find a birth record for Bernardo Siri, he was born in 1785 in Acqui Terme, Allessandria, Piemonte. He married and died in Montoggio, Genova, but perhaps Acqui Terme has his birth record?
For him I could use the exact same text as for Andrea Monteverde? Just names and dates exchanged

Thanks for reading!

Edit: Just realized this will not be easy, back then they had only parish/church books, correct?...

You have Carlo Bazurro death record from Struppa from Tessa

Here is the death act in 1868 of Carlo Bazurro -
Declaring the death were his sons, GioBattista Bazurro, age 58, and
Andrea Bazurro, no age given, both peasant farmers residing in the town - identified as the sons of the deceased and of deceased Rosa Bazurro...
#25
Death on 5 May 1868 at 6:30 PM at the home
Carlo was age 88, the son of deceased GioBattista Bazurro and of deceased Geronima Costigliolo.
He was born in Struppa, and was the widow of Rosa Bazurro.
Since that put his birth about 1778 you would have to contact the church of Church of San Martino for the parish records to get any records
Lower left in image
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/T ... ,354013401

Marty

[Sus80]

Okay, thank you!

I'm incredibly lucky, because someone from Italy whose father had transcribed the whole parish books from Montoggio, is currently entering all the data into the genalogies pages of FamilySearch! The information contains some of the Bazzuro's because at least one of them married in Montoggio, it contains a lot of information on the maternal side starting with Rosa Siri from Montoggio. So that parish, if it is different from San Martino in Struppa, will be a target, also for travel I hope, not too far in the future!

[adelfio]

There are more birth records of Rapolla on ancestry.com than familysearch.org with the universal subscription

Birth record of Angelo Bazzurro
Index#46
1889 Feb 10th in the town of Rapolla Genova birth of Angelo Bazzurro son of Antonio Bazzurro age 25 mason resides in Genova and Maggiorina Gelvitto

Marty
CLICK ON IMAGE TO ENLARGE

[Sus80]

*squeal* my God, how did you find this, I am co-using an ancestry account (international access), didn't find any such thing!!
Is this Universal access account the best (most expensive) one, or the second to most expensive?

Thank you !!

[Sus80]

Btw (OhmyGodohmyGod), yesterday I found a sister for Angelo Bazzurro, Luisa! In the United States documents on Ancestry!
It was really late and it happened by chance that I found her name and the short version of her marriage record, stating Antonio and "Maggeorino Gelortto"as mother!
I looked up Gelortto as a name (on gens.info, they have a name map), didn't pop up. So I dared believe it's Maggiorina Gelvitto! I ordered the marriage certificate just to be sure, but all the dates and places fit well enough.

Then I found this Luisa's naturalization record, same wedding date, etc! She is from just around the area my Antonio and Maggiorina where living (moving a lot):

Birth 13 August 1894 in Coreglia, Liguria!

http://interactive.ancestry.com/1554/32 ... turnRecord

* Happy*

[Sus80]

Regarding angelo's birth record (two posts above this)

Marty (or who else can read it ), since I cannot make it out well enough I just want to ask if the date of birth is the 10th of February, or if that's only the date when the parents presented Angelo to the official?
We have a WW II draft record for Angelo where he states as date of birth 7 February 1889 in Rapallo.
I believe I read the date of christening was regarded as more important than the actual birth date sometimes, could that make the difference?

[Tessa78]

You are correct !

Date of birth was 7 February at 7:30 PM...

His birth was declared on the 10th. He was not presented because it was too cold [freddo]

T.